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Post by trublucoldcasefan on Jun 10, 2004 21:09:30 GMT -5
Is there a Mr. Right for Lilly? And what is she hiding? I've heard a lot of people say that if Lilly got into a relationship with Scotty, the show was going down the tubes. Well im going to put in my two cents now! *  * *note: i go a little off topic towards the middle, so sit tight. it may not seem relevant, but trust me, it is* Scotty may know too much for Lilly to want to get a into a realtionship with him. She told him about her childhood with her mom, about how there was never enough food, and how her mother was always out looking for a guy therefore too busy to get food for her. She also mentioned to him in "Fly Away" a case against Ellen Rush when she was looking through the files. The whole case seemed to have an impact on her. When she was interegating the mr. freely guy, she was practically in tears (when she said "you were like god to these women" maybe it was touching too close to a personal experience for her) she mentioned in "Maternal Instincts" and "Lover's Lane" that something in her childhood went wrong or didnt go as planned. In "Maternal Instincts, she says "I wanted everything too, but i was too [darn] proud to ask for help" and in "Lover's Lane" she mentioned something about her plans at 15 were impossible. Getting back to Lilly's relationships *sry i tend to get off topic* notice she never mentioned a word of her childhood or past plans to Kite. Prediction for next season: Shes going to have to let some of her emotions out. and i think shes going to do it all at once. prepare for a BIG "therapy" session with someone cant wait to see what everyone thinks. {edited word in post} |
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Post by Tati on Jun 10, 2004 21:34:28 GMT -5
wow !!! this is so good .
I totally agree about Scotty already knowing too much about Lilly. She never said anything to Kite, maybe she was afraid something in her past would make him give up on her? But, on the other hand, Kite never asked anything about her family (not that I remember).
I think that Lilly's problems are mostly in her childhood. She already talked about her mom being too drunk and forgetting to give her food - I think Lilly's mom never gave her much love and never cared much for her.
I think Lilly never felt that someone really loved her, that's why she doesn't trust anyone with her fears and her feelings. Well, except sometimes when she's working - I suppose that, when she "frees" someone from the torture of an unsolved murder, she frees herself a little bit.
I could talk here forever about Lilly - she's one of the most fascinating characters I've ever seen !
that was really great, TruBlu - you should write another one about Lilly's relationships.
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Post by Naj on Jun 11, 2004 8:46:38 GMT -5
These are very good points. What if Lily's mother becomes a little more prominent in the second season and something happens to Lily either because of her cases or Kite and some bad stuff comes out that she has to deal with emotionally concerning her past and her mom?
I'm not going to rule out a closer relationship with Scotty but maybe Stillman will become more prominent to Lily to guide her. What if there is a case that mimics Lily's childhood with a girl involved? Also I wonder if they would ever consider doing a two parter?
~Naj
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Post by ebron on Jun 11, 2004 14:39:47 GMT -5
Aw man, this is awesome, and you have wonderful points (which I agree completely with). I think Scotty IS more like a brother than a potential boyfriend to Lilly, so she tend to let more out to him than to Kite. I think most of her problems were when she was a kid, and her mom didn't really care about her...she wasn't loved, so she doesn't like to put trust in guys like...well, ADA Kite. I definitely think she needs to let some of that feeling out in the second season or she'll have a mental breakdown...  |
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Post by krispy on Jun 12, 2004 10:06:49 GMT -5
Wow...interesting points. Yeah, Scotty does know a lot and probably has speculations about Lilly too, but I don't see a boyfriend relationship there. I think she trusts Scotty because he's a cop and most cops have the "we're the good guys" mentallity. Lilly probably also sees him a genuinely good person as exhibited by his committment to Alyssa and she sees that this is a guy to be trusted. Also, Kite never really asked much of Lilly...yeah, he tried very gently to get her to reveal some secrets, but he let her take her time with regards to discussions about past. Keep in mind that Scotty knows all the little tidbits about her family and childhood that Kite never knew and Lilly wasn't ready to let him on it. I think Lilly is a lot more insecure than she lets on, at least with regards to love and probably felt that she might scare him off. I think she was just enjoying being pursued by Kite and wanted to feel she was desirable to someone other than the sleezy pervs she encounters in her job. Interesting season this will be.
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Post by Naj on Jun 13, 2004 10:20:48 GMT -5
I have to keep reminding myself that the writers might not give us more insight but then why are they dropping these tidbits? Scotty doesn't seem like a love interest for Lily at this point. It depends what they do with these characters but yes I can see that many wouldn't want to bring personal into work life. What we saw on the show the first season is about par for how most people conduct themselves in the workplace. You keep it professional and basiclly drop statements here and there about your life. Now we don't know what goes on on their third Tuesday/Thursday out with the staff? But I suppose that's where they share more of the private life if they so desire. It's just a matter that the audience doesn't know about them but they probably do know more of each other. Does that make sense?
~Naj
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Post by Trublu on Jun 13, 2004 12:31:10 GMT -5
i have a feeling *hoping really* that their not just dropping random tidbits. they've definitely incorperated it into more than one episode, so they sort of need to follow up on it, otherwise it looks like they were desperate for something to take up time. and i see what you are saying Naj, that the characters may know more about eachother than we know. thats a really good point actually. i didnt think of that. but then that would make things more confusing, great.  ;D |
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Post by TVFan on Jun 14, 2004 10:17:24 GMT -5
Wow, this is an interesting thread. I think that Lilly and Scotty make a great team, and I think that they should be close (as professional partners). I also like Naj's idea that Stillman is a great confidant for Lilly. I never really thought of this until "Glued." I loved the interaction between the two of them in his office. He shared personnal info (his daughter's pregnancy) and gave her advice on her own life ("No, but you will someday"). I also liked Lindsay in "Maternal Insticts." I thought that she could add a lot to the show as a recurring guest role. Plus, she knows Lilly's back story, and her job is related to the show. As far as Lilly's personnal love relationships go, I wouldn't want to see her date anyone she works with. Nor would I want to see her with anyone who can't understand her long hours and passion and dedication to the job. No more Kites!  As far as Kite goes, I'm torn. Part of me wants to see them together again, but then the other part doesn't want to be jerked around by an on-again/off-again relationship that TV writers love. Maybe Kite could come crawling back and Lilly could put him in his place by turning him down (that just seems her style anyway). |
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Post by Trublu on Jun 14, 2004 20:24:33 GMT -5
I know what your saying about the Kite thing. If he came crawling back, yes it would be crawling after the way he acted, i have a feeling that she would turn him down. He's already broken her heart once, and thats exactly what she was afraid of the first time around, never mind the worry that if he did it once, he could do it again. and its not like her work ethic is going to change. shes dedicated, and thats not going to change. but thats one of things i like about her, shes determined.
oh and.. if anyone has any suggestions for any reviews/analyzations/whatevers i could do, feel free to PM me, email, aim, etc.
and just one more modification: the topic doesnt have to be lilly, like ive been doing. they can be anything that has something remotely to do with coldcase. it could even be about the ators and actresses on the show too...
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Post by hollyshannensangel on Jun 20, 2004 11:41:50 GMT -5
I see Scotty too much if a brother like symbol for Lilly....You know if Lilly can't find a man then why not go with a woman lol...dunno....lol
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Post by Naj on Jun 20, 2004 11:48:15 GMT -5
I see Scotty too much if a brother like symbol for Lilly....You know if Lilly can't find a man then why not go with a woman lol...dunno....lol I was looking to see if they might not just do that. But it doesn't appear that's so unless part of Lily's inability to have personal romantic relationships is due to her sexual orientation. But I don't think that's it. I still think she had some nasty stuff done to her that she needs to work out. And she was married at one point as well. {I know, I know just because you married the opposite sex doesn't mean you aren't gay} I just don't think that's who Lily is though. *Only the writers know* ~Naj |
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Post by Trublu on Jun 21, 2004 20:49:18 GMT -5
Ya, i dont think that their really going with the whole gay angle. she seemed happy with kite, and as far as im concerned, i dont think its her sexual orientation that is keeping her from a long, serious relationship. we all know by now that one of the major reasons that her relationship with kite didnt work out is because she is married to her work. although as you said naj, only the writers know where this is going, and they might change their minds at any time!  |
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Post by ebron on Jun 23, 2004 20:07:24 GMT -5
I'm definitely open to any angle here, but I think the gay turn will cause a bit of a rift in the veiwers, and the writers might not want to take that risk...I mean, Cold Case is an emotional show (At least it shows more emotion than the cop shows I watch regularly) and to have such a controversial topic enter the scene...eh, maybe in a year or two, it could work out?
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Post by Naj on Jun 24, 2004 13:12:55 GMT -5
I still want to learn about Lily's past and things about growing up and her mom. I wonder if they will bring her mom into the picture a little more and we've only had the reference that Lily was going to the drug store to pick up her mom's meds cause her sister was missing in action... It doesn't matter to me if there is any relationship of any kind in S2. I'm just waiting to see what they come up with. But I am going to guess there won't be any romantic thing. It's a guess and I'm sticking with it! ~Naj |
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Post by Trublu on Jun 26, 2004 15:49:28 GMT -5
I dont think lilly will go with another relationship either, although i can hope, right? i do think someone will try to make a relationship though, and lilly will turn him down. the whole reason she didnt get fully involved with kite in the beginning when he first approached her was because she was afraid of gettting hurt. and look what happened... |
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Post by keeley on Jun 26, 2004 23:05:00 GMT -5
To have a real and strong and commited relationship with someone you have to trust them enough to let them in and know your secrets and know every aspect of you, Lily never had that with Kite while she already has that with Scotty and he with her. It's a nice thought that Stillman is like a mentor to her.
While I don't see Scotty as boyfriend material for her YET, I do love their relationship and they have such a spark so I would like to see their partnership become deeper and stronger
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Post by Andrea on Aug 8, 2004 16:12:48 GMT -5
Exactly what I think. It's a great relief to see that someone thinks like me. Now, all of you have great points here and it seems everything I thought is already said...  |
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Post by melliemel on Sept 6, 2004 12:14:46 GMT -5
Hi! I don't post much but I was reading through this thread and wanted to add my personal thoughts on Lilly....
Speaking from personal experience...I really do think Lilly's mother loved her. I mean I don't know everything that happened to her when she was younger. But, from the tidbits we've been given we know her mother drank a lot and forgot to feed her because of that. I know at the time it doesn't feel like love. most likely because you don't feel like you're getting any. I think her mother had/has a huge problem but I don't think that means she didn't love her. I think Lilly is bitter and she has every right to be. But the end of Fly Away where she's watching the home movies really struck a cord with me. It seems a lot of the time we focus more on the bad times than we do on the good times. I think that's why she shut herself off when Scotty asked about her mother ever showing her love. It's easier to be angry I think.
And I really think something else happened to her when she was younger. I don't know if it was the way she was brought up or something more traumatic. But the way that she acts throws off huge signals to me. I mean I know in the pilot she mentioned having a husband who was a drunk and she knew the difference between a soccer game and a "trip down the stairs" So that might have to do with her not wanting to get close to Kite. But I really feel something else happened.
People say I'm good at reading others, and I'm good at picking up on things. And Lilly totally has a big red sign with an arrow over her head that's flashing on and off lol
As for Kite, I can't see her taking him back. She somewhat let her walls down when she was with him, and he dumped her. So I don't think she would put herself in the position to be hurt by him again.
And what is with Kite anyway..he so knew about her work habits. I didn't really like him in my opinion as soon as she let him in the door he was all about changing her, like that kiss where she looked really awkward and he kept pushing. If I were her I would have gotten my point across lol I feel bad for Lilly but I can't really say I'm sorry that he's gone. She needs a guy who is patient and understanding. Yeah she works a lot but it's important to her and they need to see that and be ok with it. and she needs someone who's going to accept her the way she is. Not be all great about it until they are dating and all of a sudden she needs to change lol
As for Scotty I can so see these two as brother and sister. I mean they have chemistry in my opinion. And I would like to see them get closer but I don't think I would like it to be anything more than a platonic relationship.
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Post by Tati on Sept 6, 2004 13:06:40 GMT -5
Hi melliemel! Great thoughts, thanks for posting them. You have a good point about Lilly's mom. I never looked at this situation this way, but it could be like that. A bad experience is always a stronger memory than 1000 good experiences. I think that Lilly has problems connecting to people outside her job because she never felt loved, and that trauma probably came from her mom. If the two of them solve their issues from the past, it would help Lilly a lot. She needs a guy who is patient and understanding. Yeah she works a lot but it's important to her and they need to see that and be ok with it. and she needs someone who's going to accept her the way she is. Not be all great about it until they are dating and all of a sudden she needs to change lol I agree, but on the other hand I don't think Lilly lets people see what she needs. How is the guy supposed to know that Lil has all the problems she has and needs so much love and support if she never shows her feelings? I'm not on Kite's side here, but all he knew about Lilly was that she was a crazy workaholic. I don't think she ever let him know the woman behind the detective... so he felt it wasn't worth, or that she wasn't interested in that relationship (and it seemed she really wasn't). |
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Post by melliemel on Sept 6, 2004 16:33:33 GMT -5
No I don't think Lilly ever felt love. Maybe in moments but not full-time like a child needs. I don't think she ever had a positive influence to guide her when she was younger either.
I really hope in the upcoming season they explore the relationship with her mother more. And I agree I think that's what she really needs.
As for Kite, I don't really know if it's she doesn't want to or she can't. I mean she's had a lot of time to build up some serious walls. Maybe it's because we're sitting here watching everything she's said about her childhood and he's only seen what he's saw. So yeah you make a good point there. I just feel bad for her lol
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As far as Kite goes, I'm torn. Part of me wants to see them together again, but then the other part doesn't want to be jerked around by an on-again/off-again relationship that TV writers love. Maybe Kite could come crawling back and Lilly could put him in his place by turning him down (that just seems her style anyway).
