Lost

[Tracylynn]

Last night episode's was good and I'm also picking up "The Lord of the Flies" vibe even more. We had one small set of people act like savages while the majority seemed civilized. Will this last or will they all become one or the other? Only time will tell. Right now this show is good because it's showing how humans behave without rules. We act differently when there are rules around and that they can be enforced.

A few observations here. The first one being Locke. He was a bad guy this time because he planted the idea that Sawyer could have attacked Sayid which led to some of the fighting/torture. What Locke said was stuck in the back of Sayid's mind and in the end he believed it. You could tell by the way he acted.

Secondly, the torture scenes. WOW! I was afraid to watch those scenes because I thought they would be gruesome and they were to an extent. We didn't see what was going on but we sure did hear it. I can honestly say that my jaw was on the floor while watching that part of the show.

Thirdly, I knew from the beginning that Sawyer didn't have the inhalers. It wasn't from anything being said but it was my gut instinct on that. I knew he didn't have it therefore he would get punished because no one believes/like him.

Fourth, Sawyer's background was interesting but it looked like they left something out, such as how he end up in Australia? Anyhow, I was surprised to learn that he was the boy in the letter and Sawyer was the man who destroyed his family. The Sawyer we know is actually a guy who hates himself because he became the one person he hated most in the world. He was doing the same thing that the real Sawyer was doing and when he saw that little boy it hit him like a stack of bricks, he had became Sawyer. I think that's why he is nasty to everyone. He hates himself for what he became therefore everyone else should hate this guy too. Maybe one day we will see a kindler Sawyer.

Fifth, the kiss. There's no doubt about it in my mind that Kate enjoyed that kiss. We all know that Sawyer did but I think she did as too.

Sixth, I really do like Sayid. He past came out when he had to torture Sawyer and that was a part of him that he no longer wanted to become. Like he said, he didn't trust himself after that incident so why not go for a walk around the island and find out what's there. To me, Sayid was being a man when he realized that he still had to deal with the past because it's lingering inside of him.

Is it or me but does it seem like "Cold Case" because of the music being played at the end of the episode?

Wow! I think I said too much. LOL foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG]

Tracylynn

[Tracylynn]

The book that Sawyer had is "Watership Down". Another symbolic piece to the show.

Tracylynn

[Ryebeach]

Tracylynn said:

Sawyer's background was interesting but it looked like they left something out, such as how he end up in Australia?

I don't think they want to give too much away with everyone's background at once. They want to delve deeper in future eps.

My observations:

1. Like Tracylynn, I also didn't believe Sawyer had the inhalers. He never admitted that he had them but he didn't deny it either. I think I know why but I'll get to that later.

2. Boone and Shannon: I really liked how they were portrayed in this ep. Previously, Shannon seemed to me to be pretty one dimensional and Boone never did much except argue with her. With her being the one sick, we saw that Boone was genuinly scared for his sister. Shannon was also scared and knocked off her high horse, which I'm sorry to say, si what she needed. She was too selp-absorbed. Hopefully, this experience will have changed her a little.

3. Chalie and Claire: Very sweet how Charlie is looking after Claire. He is very concerned for her and her baby's safety and wants her ot go to the caves. I think Charlie really is a good soul.

4. Jack: He was too violent with Sawyer this ep. I think we will find out in his next backstory that violence was somehow a part of him back home. He also should have known about the euclyptus.

5. Sayid: Personally I think he is a scary character, which was detailed last night because of his past experience with tortuing people. He could have easily killed Sawyer and I think he is one to watch.

6. Sawyer: WOW. I was totally surprised at the first revelation when Kate read the letter and I almost fell off the couch when the big one was revealed. It was sad but shocking. And I did feel bad for Sawyer. To lose both your parents that way, I can't imagine. And on top of that to end up turning into the person you're trying to find is inconceivable. I believe that Sawyer felt he had to be punished for what he'd done to all those families that he almost welcomed the abuse. The torture scenes were hard to watch but I think Sawyer wanted to be punished. He is pretty messed up and I'm not sure he will ever be able to move on but I am glad he didn't burn the letter at the end. The letter is all he's got left and he should never forget what it stands for and to reread it every day is also a sort of punishment for him.

7. Kate: She definately held on too long when she was kissing Sawyer but I don't think she really enjoyed it though.

8. Locke: What's up with him? Why did he try to blame Sawyer for hitting Sayid over the head? What's his motive? I don;t think it was Sawyer who hit Sayid. I also don't think it was the french woman.

Another amazing ep and next weeks previews looke great. This show just keeps getting better and better.

[Ryebeach]

Tracylynn said:

Is it or me but does it seem like "Cold Case" because of the music being played at the end of the episode?

That also occurred to be but I don't think this is the type of show to have this type of music at the end. I like the ending music in CC but in Lost, it just doesn't fit having some vocal music playing in the background for the closing scenes. They are in the middle of nowhere, we shouldn't be hearing popular music playing. It just came off as corny in an otherwise excellent episode.

[TVFan]

The book that Sawyer had is "Watership Down". Another symbolic piece to the show.

Thanks Tracylynn

I can't decide whether Kate enjoyed the kiss or not.

[Ryebeach]

I'm usually so good with recording tv shows but tonite I inadvertantly didn't start recording Lost until halfway through. If anyone wants to give me a brief rundown of the first half hour, I would greatly appreciate it.

[TVFan]

Ryebeach - Here's a brief recap of the entire ep that I just sent a friend who forgot to record it:


Hurley found some golf clubs, and decided to build a couple-hole course (it was mainly just the rough since they have no way of cutting the grass). Everyone seemed to really enjoy the break from reality, even Sawyer. He finally came over to watch the others try their hand at the golf game after Kate asked him to come.

Sayid continued his quest to walk around the island. He got a little side tracked when he found a cable buried in the sand. He decided to follow it, and it led him straight into a booby trap. When he woke up, a woman kept asking him where Alex was. He told her he didn't know an Alex, but she insisted he did and she started shocking him. He figured out that this was the mysterious French woman from the transmission. He told her how they heard her 16 year old transmission, and she stopped shocking him. Her name is Danielle. Basically, she's kind of batty b/c she's been by herself for 16 years. She said something about voices in the jungle. Here's what she told him:

She was ship wrecked on the island with a small group (including her husband) when they were doing research somewhere in the area.

The others died b/c she shot them. She claims that they had an "illness" and she had to kill them so they wouldn't take it back to their families when they got rescued.

There are no such things as monsters (so says she).

And, watch the others (in Sayid's group).

She wasn't going to let Sayid leave, but she finally agreed. Alex was her son.

We also learned a little bit about Sayid's back story. He was a soldier in the Republican Guard in Iraq. His job was to torture suspects until they gave him the info he needed. One of these suspects was a young woman that he grew up with. She wouldn't talk, but Sayid would sneak her food that she wasn't supposed to be given. After a couple of months, she still hadn't talked, so Sayid was ordered to execute her by firing squad. He goes to get her, but he knows he can't do it (he's loved her his whole life), so he shoots his commanding officer and himself (in the leg) to frame the girl (so he won't be executed) and he helps her escape. She gave him a photo of herself and she wrote "You will find me in the next life, if not this one" on the back.

The last shot of the ep had Sayid walking alone in the jungle and he kept hearing voices and the music seemed to indicate danger.


Another strong episode last night. I have a feeling we'll be hearing from the French woman again some time. I wonder if the rest of her group was truly sick. More questions about the "monster" as well.

[Ryebeach]

Thanks so much TVFan

Still upset at myself for not recording the whole ep Hopefull ABC will rerun this ep at some point. I was so looking forward to seeing the french woman. She sounds kind of crazy, although I guess I would be too if I were stuck on an island by meyself for 16 years.

[Tracylynn]

WOW!!!!! Last night's episode was one of the best since the pilot. It had mystery, intrigue, and the fear of the unknown in it. I was glued to my set that's for sure.

A few things I would like to point out. First of all, who was that guy that was hunting with Locke at the beginning? Never seen Locke with anyone outside of the known group of characters. Now it looks like he has a hunting buddy. That's strange.

Secondly, anyone else noticed the use of the philosophers' names in the show? We have Locke (philosopher name John Locke) and Rousseau (philosopher name Jean Jacques Rousseau). Symbolism? I think so.

Thirdly, Rousseau said that the ship suffered a instrument malfunctions. Didn't the plane suffered the same thing? I think so.

Fourth, Rousseau said "hope it was one of the bears." So now we know there are more than one bear on the island and I think it explains how the polar bear got on the island. She did say that she was part of a scientific research so I assumed that the bears were a part of the research.

Fifth, Rousseau had shot the others because they were sick. What were they sick from? Could the rash be a sign of the thing that she said that the others were carrying? And who were the others? And what about the voices?

Sixth, Alex was her child but we do not know if Alex is a guy or a girl. Alex could be short for Alexandria or Alexis. Then again how do we know if Alex is a human? I know some folks refer to their pets as their child. Maybe Alex was the polar bear, her research project?

Seventh, Sayid's story is so sad because he gave Nadia her death sentence when he shot his commander and himself and gave her the gun. If she had gotten caught she would've be executed for sure. I liked the message she wrote on the back on the picture...'If I don't see you in this life, I'll see you in the other". Beautiful.

Finally, when Hurley did his little dance on the golf course I was reminded of Chris Farley. That was funny. Too bad we didn't hear "Working for the Weekend". I hope everyone knows what I am referring to.

Tracylynn

[eurache]

Wow!! this gets better and better Gosh I didn't think about the philosphers John Locke and Rousseau!! Could be sort of a symbolism..

I must have missed that part with a person that was hunting with Locke

Yeah the plane had some sort of malfunction.. makes you think is this part of Bermuda triangle?

Rousseau did say she was part of a scientific research.. could be right about the bears..

That was weird about the voices that she claimed she heard and then when Sayid left to head back.. he now heard them ...strange

This story gets better and better... so many questions... keeping you guessing

[eurache]

well..it wasn't on this past week but I can't wait for next week... I'll go prepare myself :bath: :brshteeth: ;D

[Tracylynn]

It wasn't on this past week because ABC thought everybody would be more interested in seeing who the bachelor picked as his "wife to be but only for a few months until he got tired of her".

The Bachelor needs to be taken off the air. With the exception of Trista and Ryan (I guess that's their names) none have made it to the alter. The show is a failure because those guys are not looking for a long term relationship on TV. They are only looking for a thrill to say the least.

Tracylynn

[Ryebeach]

First off, let me say after seeing this episode, I will NEVER go to a psychic. Way too creepy. :yikes:

Tonite's episode was the best since the 2 hour pilot. It was suspensful for every second.

I also was really intrigued by Claire's backstory. I guess she's one of my favorite characters along with Charlie and they both were featured prominetly in this ep.

I felt bad for Claire when Thomas broke up with her. I don't think she saw that coming. After all, it was him who said they should go thru with having the baby.

I wonder what the story is with the baby. Is it the devil or something? Why did the psychic act all crazy about it's upbringing, how the baby needed to be with Claire because of her goodness, or else.

I thought there was something off about that Ethan guy from when we first met him so I was not totally surprised when Hurley revealed someone was not on the manifest who is with the group now.

I kept trying to guess why Claire got on the plane but I never guessed it would be the psychic who put her there. I couldn't believe he would do that to her, knowing what would happen to that flight. He knew that she was going to give her baby up one way or another and he must have figured this was the only way. I ask again: What is it about her baby? I'm dying to find out.

The previews for next week look awesome but I'm afraid to say, it doesn't look good for Claire and Charlie, especially with Ethan holding them. I hope they are ok, especially since they are my two favorite characters.

Also, I like the new Sawyer. I hope he's turned over a new leaf and won't go back to his nasty ways.

[TVFan]

Excellent episode last night! I was so creeped out when Hurley told Jack that one of the survivors was not on the passenger manifest. Like Ryebeach, I had felt that something was off about Ethan from his first appearance, but I kind of put it in the back of my mind. I guess it was the fact that he just showed up last ep with no explaination. I would have dropped it, but he was featured so prominently last ep and this one, that it made me wonder why he hadn't been in earlier eps.

Shannon and Boone make me laugh. I loved her reaction to Claire's attack. She's so self-centered and selfish. It never even occured to her that Claire's life could be in danger, just her own.

I'm glad Sawyer gave the passenger manifest over without a fight. I hope this whole "rough and tough" on the outside, "big softee" on the inside Sawyer continues. Speaking of liking characters, lots of love for Hurley (or should I say Hugo?). He's great!

I enjoyed learning about Claire's past. I liked how her story seemed to have "signs" and fate included in it. The two pens that wouldn't write, going to the pyschic, getting on a "doomed" plane in order for the pyschic to ensure that the baby be raised by her. Very interesting. I hope we find out more about the danger baby.

Next week looks intense. I hope crazy/freaky Ethan doesn't hurt Claire or Charlie.

One more thing, here's a link to a TV Guide bit on why LOST is like Watership Down (the book Sawyer is reading) for those who haven't read the book (myself included):

Reading Between Lost's Lines

[Tracylynn]

This was a good episode but I think the episode where Sayid finds the french woman was more suspensful then this one. I guess what threw me off was the situation with Claire's baby. Why did the baby needed to be brought up by her? I know the psychic said it needed her goodness but what's wrong with the baby? Is it Damien?

Her boyfriend was a total jerk. She should've slapped him silly after what he did. He convinces her to keep the baby and make a family and then about 3 months later wants out of the situation. It was quite clear he didn't want to grow up and be a man. He obviously didn't want anything holding him back from having a good time.

As for Hurley, he is showing that he's a guy who is thinking about the others and not just some kind of guy who doesn't want to get involved. He created the golf course for everybody so that people can relax a little bit, plus he was looking out for their safety by getting everyone's names. Since they are stuck on the island they do need to know the names, the real names, of the others. His real name is Hugo Reyes.

Hurley is a cute, likeable character. He's one I think a lot of us can relate to. In some ways he's a Chris Farley. He makes the others laugh and it eases them. Now I can't wait to find out why his nickname is Hurley.

I liked the scene between Shannon, Boone, and Hurley. To my surprise, Shannon isn't all that dumb. She knew what the Patriot Act was. Heck, she even knew her brother was a liberal. That bit of information tells me that both Shannon and Boone pays attention to the real world. They may come from money but they know what's going on in the world. Shannon reminds me of Paris Hilton but with more brains.

As for Sawyer, well I don't think he has changed. I think he was nice to Hurley because Hurley hasn't done anything to him unlike some of the others. Plus, after seeing the preview for next weeks show and seeing Josh on the Jimmy Kimmel last night, I really don't think he's changed.

Tracylynn

[TVFan]

Apparently tonight's episode is the last new one until Jan!

Get Your LOST Fix

[Ryebeach]

I thought for sure Charlie was a goner. It was so sad to see him hanging there. I felt a bit choked up as he and Claire are my favorite characters. Normally I would say to myself they wouldn't kill off a major character like Charlie but you can't say that about Lost. You just never know. I did like how they tied in this ep with Jack's father. He was a manipulative person. I knew Kate was going to tell Jack to stop trying to save Charlie and I figured he wouldn't listen to her like he had listened to his father because I think he always thought if he'd kept trying he could have saved that girl in the OR. But thank goodness he didn't stop or we wouldn't still have Charlie. I wonder did Ethan brainwash him so he wouldn't remember what happened or did he just not want to talk about the ordeal.
That Ethan guy was pretty strong, beating Jack up like that. I hope we find out more about him and "the others" on the island.

And what is this metal object that Locke and Boone found. Anyone want to speculate? I CANNOT wait 5 weeks to find out. They sure did leave us hanging but I guess that was the point. :wink:

[TVFan]

I too thought that Charlie was done. Like Ryebeach, I normally would have assumed that he would live, but LOST is a whole different game.

I can't figure out what's going on with Charlie. He seemed out of it, like he wasn't himself. I wonder what Ethan did to him? It can't be good. I'm not sure if Claire's going to be able to pull through her ordeal. Why does Ethan only want her (according to Charlie)? I'm guessing it has something to do with her baby since she was attacked last week near her baby. Why didn't the pyschic foresee all of this? And if he did, why did he want it to happen this way? So many questions, and too many weeks to wait for answers.

I really want to know what the metal is. I really have no idea, except I don't think it's a part of the plane as Boone suggested.

[Ryebeach]

I know you guys don't want to read spoilers on this show (neither do I) but here's a link for an interesting article which delves into what's coming up for Locke, Boone and Shannon. Nothing too spoilerish in it but it does go into some basic upcoming plotlines. Also a little bit about the actor who plays Boone, Ian Somerhalder.

tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|92680|1|,00.html

[Ryebeach]

Here are some Lost theories submitted to msnbc as to what is really happening on the island. A few I've heard before, a few that make sense and a couple of doozies for good measure.

source: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6786069/

It could be all of their fears combined on some spiritual plane to get them to realize their potential.
—Marie Souder, Dallas, Texas

The island was originally used as the landing ground for a modern day Noah's Ark during the ’40s or ’50s Nuclear Armament (the polar bears, skeletons) and the descendents from the original ship (Ethan) kidnapped Claire to get her child and will then try to kill the rest of the castaways.
—Craig Burger, Boston, Mass.

I think this island is/was used to scientific experiments of some kind, possibly carried out in secret. I think it may have something to do with Nazi scientific experiments. This is because in the episode “House of the Rising Sun” when they move into the cave and find the bodies, Jack states that they are approximately 50 to 60 years old. Perhaps this was a Japanese island where the Japanese worked with Nazis creating mutated animals and/or people. Maybe that's what the “creature” is and why polar bears are there.
—Christopher Hernandez, Lodi, N.J.

Perhaps a kind of limbo between the physical and spiritual worlds...a place to sort things out, a place of introspection, a place to make peace with one's self and former life.
—Carole White, Carson, Calif.

The island gives you what you need (Locke). My theory is this is similar to the old movie “Forbidden Planet” and there is some sort of device that manifests the subconscious. The monster is somebody's “monsters of the Id.”
—gpb

It's all a novel written by the mysterious “Ethan” who was given up for adoption by the mother who named him Alex.
—M. Hendrix, Cincinnati

I think they are either in hell and all are dead or they are somewhere magical like the Bermuda Triangle. Ethan, who was not on the passenger list, wants Claire's baby sort of like a “Rosemary's Baby” premise! He is evil, definitely. I love this show!
—Brenda, Houston

This island appears to me to be second chance island. Each of the survivors have a chance to redeem themselves from being “losers.” Could they just be in limbo until their destiny is decided? That’s what I think. And after they finally get it right/wrong they are either allowed to die or live on.
—J. Williams, Chicago, Ill.

It's a reality TV show, but the survivors don't know that. There are hidden cameras everywhere (hence the electric cable Sayid found) and when the world audience “votes off” someone they're killed. Charlie was almost voted off but some last-minute votes brought him back. Danielle and Ethan are ringers who were planted on the island to keep things interesting.
—C.G., Tonawanda, N.Y.

I think that Claire is pregnant with the anti-Christ and the other young boy on the island is the second coming of Christ. They were placed on the island to keep them from throwing society as a whole into calamity in the future, entrusted to the survivors, who all seem to be at some sort of moral crisis during the time of the crash.
—Ashley, Alexandria, Va.

My opinion is that they did not survive the crash and that they are stuck in some kind of Purgatory.
—Tammy, Detroit