Lost

[Tracylynn]

This episode was really interesting because there were somes "clues" and/or symbolism in it.

1) Boone said in the first episode that he was a lifeguard but yet he couldn't perform CPR correctly on Rose nor could he save the drowning woman's life. Jack had to come to the rescue of Rose and even for Boone but he couldn't save the lady who was drowning. I think Boone is trying to prove that he can do something but yet he is failing miserably.

2) Charlie's tattoo. It said: "Living is easy with eyes closed". That is a line from "Strawberry Fields Forever" by the Beatles. That is an interesting line since it seems like everyone there seems to have lived their life with their eyes closed and not noticing the problems around them.

3) The book that Sawyer was reading is "Watership Down". That is very interesting, If you know what the book is about then you can see how it can relate to the island. To me that in itself is symbolism.

4) Locke looked more like a leader when he was talking to Jack about how a leader needs to know where he is going before he can lead. It was Locke that made Jack come to his senses which surprised me. That line he said that he looked into the eye of the island and thougt it was beautiful. Hummm? Is he referring to the "monster" he saw as the eye? Also, his comments about things happen for a reason was interesting. He is living a life he couldn't have before so he is loving it.

The thing about Locke that I am wondering about is how did he know that Jack was hanging on for dear life? Jack never screamed for help. When I first saw the hand I thought it was the hand of Jack's father and that Jack was imagining it. Boy, was I wrong.

As for the coffin, I don't think the body was on the plane. It was an empty coffin and I think Jack was going to bury the coffin without his father in it so he could get it over with. I don't think he was going to let anyone know including his mother. Heck, there was no way they were going to let him bring the body back so what else could he do?

I really like this show. Again. two thumbs way up.

25or6to4

[TVFan]

Excellent observations 25or6to4! Man, I definitely need to watch more closely. I think you're right about the coffin. So sad about his father. I did notice Charlie's tatoo, but I didn't understand the reference. Thanks for clearing that one up.

I thought the hand grabbing Jack's was his father's as well. It seemed like his father led him to the water on the island. I wonder if this idea will continue. It appears that each character has his driving force. For Locke, it's his new found use of his legs. For Kate, it's her chance for a fresh start and freedom. Maybe for Jack, it's his father.

[Tracylynn]

Thanks, TVFan. I only noticed those things because I read an interview from one of the producers where he was talking about the little clues/symbolism they put in the show.

Now, I only wish I can noticed the clues from "Cold Case" better. One would think that from all the time I spent watching "Scooby Doo" as a child and "Murder She Wrote" as a teenager that I can pick up some clues better. foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG]

25or6to4

P.S. I love these smilies.

[Tracylynn]

This week's TV Guide features "Lost" on the cover and they give 10 secrets to "Lost". Of course, not all of the secrets really deal with the show, such as how Mathew Fox is like Richard Hatch. I know I didn't want to see Richard Hatch naked but Mathew Fox wouldn't be a problem. foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG]

25or6to4

[TVFan]

I forgot about TV Guide. I haven't read it yet. I'm glad you said the thing about the symbolism 25or6to4. I'm going to be watching it more carefully for this now. Couldn't agree more about the Richard Hatch/Matthew Fox thing. Too funny!

Oh, and I LOVED Scooby Doo when I was a child. I used to watch it every morning before school. I guess I've always been a crime show junkie! :lol:

[Tracylynn]

Yeah, I would say that I am a crime show junkie but not to all the crime shows though.

I grew up watching "Scooby Doo" and even to this day I still watch it. I can never get tired of it. Heck, I even bought the Scooby Doo DVD set recently. I guess I'm still a child. foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG]

What I like about this show and a lot of the crime shows is that I think they help develop your analytical skills. It helps you analyze the things given to you, just like a detective. Of course, this is just my opinion but that's what I believe.

25or6to4

[TVFan]

TracyLynn - I agree about the analytical skills. Shows like Lost play out more like a piece of literature than a tv show (I also feel this way about CC). It's smartly written and character driven just like a good novel. In high school and college, I always enjoyed "English" classes because they were really literature classes. I loved discussing and analizing good literature. Shows like Lost and Cold Case allow for the same types of discussions IMO.

[eurache]

I just read in my hometown paper about "Lost" and indicated some theories on this show. Here is a synopsis of their theories

The Purgatory Theory
Idea that the survivors actually died in the crash and are stranded in a mystical limbo and must come to grips with the mistakes or choices they made in life before "being rescued" (i.e., going to heaven) Maybe the "survivors" are experiencing their last moments before death.

The Conspiracy Theory
Maybe the the castaways were placed on this island by aliens or the government conducting an experiment? Maybe something in the airplane's oxygen masks knocked everyone out. Possibly they were taken off the plane and everything else was staged. Also, a possibility that some of them are spies who have been planted to help monitor and control the situation.

The Say it ain't so Theory

this could turn out to be a dream or a nightmare, possibly being suffered by a passenger with a deep fear of flying.

The Time-Travel Theory
The plane might have hit some sort of a rip in the space-time continuum - - then broke up and sent different people to different places in time; that might explain Rose's comment about her husband not being dead. Or the 48 on the island are in a past, pre-modern civilization (dinosaur time), or in the a future in which human race has left for space or killed itself with a war (making the "monster" a new species).

Finally!! has anyone walked the whole way around to confirm that they're actually on an island?

I thought these were interesting theories.. and unbelievable but some are good...

BTW I love this show

[TVFan]

Eurache - Thanks for posting those theories. They're really interesting. I had thought of the dream theory, but the most obvious one, that they're not on an island, never occured to me! :hammer:

[Tracylynn]

People are coming up with some very interesting theories to this show. I've read some of those theories on ABC's website but I don't know which one I would pick.

This week's episode was again pretty interesting. It was nice to learn more about Sun and Jin. To say that her husband had a temper was an understatement. I think her father was a big man back home and I don't think she really knew what her father was all about. Too bad she didn't have the guts to leave Jin.

Did anyone else think about "Lord of the Flies" while watching the show? When the survivors were splitting into two groups, the thought of "Lord of the Flies" popped into my head. Geesz, two weeks in a row the show had some kind of connection to a book. I feel like I'm back in high school. foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG]

Adam and Eve? Wow! They really are going back into time. Jack as Adam but Kate does not want to be Eve.

The look on her face when Jack suggested that they live at the cave got me thinking. She does not want to be living in the cave. I don't think she wants to be linked as a homebody. I think it might have something to do as to why she's a criminal.

Oh, she really was hoping Jack was checking her out. She really was flirting with him until he made that comment about moving to the cave. That scared her.

Tracylynn

[TVFan]

Tracylynn - I was thinking Lord of the Flies too! The moment the group split into two groups, I told my fiance that it was so Lord of the Flies-ish. We went on to discuss how the two tribes (in the book) went on to destroy each other. I wonder if these strandees will meet the same fate someday.

So, Sun and Jin used to be happy! How sad that he went to work for her father so they could be together, but in the end, it's working for her father that drove them apart. I got a "mob vibe" from the scenes where Jin discussed her father. It seemed that Jin had to kill someone for him. Forgive my ignorance, but I don't even know if they have a mob in Korea or an equivilent. That airport scene was really poignant, and I could understand where Sun would "chicken out." She wasn't just leaving Jin, but her family and her life. Tough decision.

Kate definitely seemed uncomfortable with the cave idea. I think this would have been a tough choice as well, but the TVGuide Online Watercooler pointed out that the plane's reckage would still be visible if searchers flew overhead. This would probably be enough for them to come to the island and look for survivors. Having said that, I would have been a hard sell on the cave idea too. As one character noted, it's almost like admitting defeat. I know that I would not be willing to do this only 8 days into it. I would wait much longer until I admitted defeat (even though Jack's idea is much better).

Locke really seems to know this island and how things work. He's either very intune with nature or something's up. Either way, I'm watching him closely b/c I think he's very interesting in a mysterious stranger type of way.

[eurache]

I can't wait for tonite ;D it says Charlie begins a painful withdrawal from drugs, assisted by Locke

I love this show

[TVFan]

I just wrote an entire post, and then the power went out! Hopefully, this resembles my first post. Anyway...

Despite the hit-you-over-the-head moth metaphor, I thought tonight's ep was good. It wasn't as good as the others, but the show is so strong overall that I'm willing to let it slide.

Who bonked Sayid over the head during the radio transmission? We know it's not Jack, Charlie, Jin, Sun, Kate, Michael, Walt, or Boone since they were all at the cave during the incident. Shannon was on the beach, so we can rule her out. That leaves Sawyer (who we assume was shooting off the bottle rocket and wouldn't have enough time to get to Sayid, but I'm not ruling this out), Locke (who we assume was back near the cave, but he never actually helped), and Claire (who was MIA this ep). I'm leaning toward Locke. He seems to be making himself at home rather quickly. Plus, I think he might not want to leave the island in fear that his paralysis will return. A successful radio trasmission could really halt his new "paradise." I wonder if this theme of sabatage will continue throughout the show's run.

Overall and intriguing episode. It seems that Kate has another chance to decide between the shelter of the cave and the more rescue visible beach.

[Tracylynn]

I thought the episode was pretty good. What I really liked about the episode was how we got to learn about Charlie's past. All the other characters we have learned about so far their backgrounds are not what we have expected, but with Charlie is was but with a few exceptions.

To be honest, I felt sorry for Charlie. Here was a guy who was a good Catholic boy who went to confession because the lifestyle that the band was living was not for him. Charlie was the one who wrote the songs, he looked up to his big brother, Liam, but got no recognition and was made to feel like his wasn't important and he was useless. When he told his brother that if things got out of control then they would walk away from the band and his brother agreed but then turned around and took control of everything and made Charlie feel bad. I'm not saying Liam made Charlie get hooked on drugs but his actions led him to it. Heroin was the one drug that made him feel good and he couldn't walk away from it.

Did you notice any similarities between Charlie and his brother, Liam, to the rock group, Oasis?

As to hit Sayid on the head....well I don't think it was Sawyer and I'm not sure if it was Locke either. I have to watch the episode again but someone told me that if you listen carefully you will hear a grunt sound that sounds like it's from a woman. Could it be the french woman? We do not know if she survived or got picked up or what. This could be very interesting.

I did not like how Kate treated Sawyer when he came to tell her about Jack. He came with good intentions and she was nasty to him. I might be the only one but I hope Jack and Kate don't hook up yet. It's too soon for anything, plus I don't understand how she fell for him so quick. Maybe it's just me but that's how I feel.

From the previews that ABC aired concerning next week's episode it looks like it will be really good. Sawyer looks like he is gonna get tortured a bit.

Tracylynn

[Ryebeach]

Another good ep. Charlie ranks right up there with as one of my favorite characters so I was glad to get his background. I felt so bad for him when Liam spoke so lowly of him in the dressing room. It must be hard for Charlie though, to remember how he treated Liam before he caught the plane. That would be tearing me up inside if that is how I treated my brother the last time I saw him. But I guess they still feel they will be rescued.

I totally knew that when Charlie asked Locke for the drugs the third time, Charlie was going to throw them in the fire. Good for him!

Kate treated Sawyer terribly when he went to tell her about Jack and I didn't blame him at all for holding back. I am glad though he shot the rocket when Sayid needed him to. I really don;t think he's all bad and I'm looking forward to next week to get his backstory.

I laughed so hard when Shannon was supposed to be ready to launch the rocket, she was laying on the beach talking about Malibu. Too funny.

I think it was the french woman who knocked Sayid over the head but we don't meet her until the ep after next so I'm not ruling out Locke. Like you said, TVFan, he seems to be the most relaxed and enjoying being on the island the most and is probably not too eager to leave. We shall see.

[TVFan]

You're not the only one Tracylynn. I think it's too soon for Jack and Kate to hook up. It needs to seem natural and not forced. Right now, it would seem forced to me. I get the feeling that Jack is not interested, but we'll see.

I never even thought about the French Woman. I guess I just assumed that she was dead. Her as the sabatagee is a good theory. Things are never what they seem on this show, so I'm not counting anything out at this point.

Count me in on the Kate hate in that scene between her and Sawyer. She was out of line. We get it Kate, you're not interested in Sawyer. He gets it too, he's just giving you a hard time b/c you react the way you do. Normally I like Kate, but not in that scene.

[Tracylynn]

I agree, TV Fan, what's going on between Jack and Kate seems forced, not natural. I think Jack's a little interested in her but I think he's trying to get things together before even acting out his feelings for her.

As for Locke being relaxed on the island I think it's because it has given him a new life. Before the plane crash he was in a wheelchair and now he can walk. I just keep his quote in my head when I watch a scene featuring him and that is "I've looked into the eye of the island and what I saw was beautiful". Whatever he saw that day it made him more comfortable with the surroundings.

I've heard that someone on the E! channel made the comment that the French lady was supposed to be a little bit crazy. Well, duh! Who wouldn't be after being on the island for 16 years alone. Of course, she would be out of her mind.

I'm trying not to find out any information about any up coming episodes, including Cold Case, because all these shows are suspenseful and I want to be surprised.

Tracylynn

[Ryebeach]

Tracylynn said:

I'm trying not to find out any information about any up coming episodes, including Cold Case, because all these shows are suspenseful and I want to be surprised.

I agree Tracylynn. Lost is the only show I don't track down spoilers for as I want each ep to be as supensful and surprising as possible. And boy oh boy, are they ever!

[eurache]

Yep, I'm not looking for spoilers, I want to be surprised each time a new ep happens I just love this show :thumb:

[TVFan]

Count me in too on the not wanting spoilers. Anyway, I really liked last night's ep! I knew Sawyer had a shady past, but I didn't see the letter shocker coming at all. How sad that his father killed his mother and himself, and then "Sawyer" turns around and becomes the thing that killed them. Did anyone catch the book that Sawyer had sitting on the beach in the beginning? I paused my TiVo, but I couldn't get it.

I liked how Boone seemed genuinely concerned about his sister's health. This was a different side to their relationship than we're used to seeing. It's so true to life too. My sisters and I always acted like we hated each other when we were younger until one of us really needed each other.

This week marked a shift in the structure of their society. Up until this point, there had been mostly civility (esp. on the part of Jack), but this ep it turned more toward savage-like. Jack even made a reference in the beginning of the ep about not going after Sawyer for the inhalers b/c he didn't want to become like savages. I'm feeling the "Lord of the Flies" vibe even more. It poses an interesting question about human nature. In fact this is one of the elements that I like about the show - its ability to make me question our societal heirarchies and our deep down instictual side that differs from our modern day civilized side.

Sawyer definitely played everyone just to get what he wanted. He resorted to his grifting days, and implied he had the inhalers so that Kate would be forced to kiss him. Man, was she mad. Can't say I blame her though. I wouldn't want to be taken for a fool either.