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Post by Naj on Feb 25, 2004 9:07:41 GMT -5
I know we have posters here of various ages and this is a good opportunity to talk about something that has been shoved into the limelight. Here's the recent info on what Bush did yesterday:[http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/24/ elec04.marriage.reacts/index.html] edited url to fit page width: please copy and paste into your browser ommitting the brackets Here's a petition if you feel strongly against this amendment: [http://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/ct/ contactus.aspc=ctISK8OWG&b=27870&en= 6oJHKNMkG6KGIMNlEeIGIJPwFoLMJMNvFmJOITNwEkIZF] edited url to fit width: copy and paste url into your browser ommitting the brackets. Conservatives Against A Constitutional Amendment www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13968“I don’t think the Constitution was ever written and set up for those kinds of amendments.” Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., Omaha World Herald, July 13, 2001 “I don’t think the Federal Marriage Act is appropriate. I think that minimizes the Constitution.” Former Senator Alan Simpson, R-Wyo., Newsweek, July 2003 “A Constitutional amendment is both unnecessary and needlessly intrusive and punitive.” Former Congressman Bob Barr, R-Ga., Washington Post, August 21, 2003. “Amending the Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman would be unwise…Constitutionalizing social policy is generally a misuse of fundamental law.” Columnist George Will, November 30, 2003 ~Naj
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Post by nobi on Apr 16, 2004 10:56:02 GMT -5
Personally I think Bush is completely wrong on that issue (and a lot of others too). I don't know what business he has in deciding whose love should result in marriage and whose shouldn't.
He makes me proud to be a Canadian.
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Post by Naj on Apr 16, 2004 11:22:27 GMT -5
Hi Nobi, I happen to agree with you. I get the feeling that there is this underlying concept that all hetersexuals are against same sex marriage. This is absurd. Families are facing their children (unborn children) who will come into a world that condones their life style. What purpose does that serve. I also don't believe that all people will vote against it. Look at Vice President Cheny's daughter. Do you really think deep down inside he wants his daughter to be denied those rights he has as a heterosexual? I think this whole thing is sad. ~Naj
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Post by nobi on Apr 18, 2004 10:19:37 GMT -5
I just can't believe that with all the war, hunger, poverty and disease that exists in the world an issue like marriage is right at the top of Bush's list of things to change. Personally, I'd focus money and time into fixing things that are actual problems... I can't imagine how upset Cheny's daughter must be at him. If my dad was part of something that would ensure I wouldn't have the same rights as him I have no idea how upset I would be. I suppose the next election is this year though (right?) so maybe Bush will be voted out of office...
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Post by eurache on Apr 20, 2004 19:06:58 GMT -5
I hope soo
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Post by Naj on Apr 25, 2004 11:40:33 GMT -5
I hope Bush isn't re-elected either. It will be a mighty fine day when that happens. ~Naj
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Post by ebron on May 28, 2004 9:02:53 GMT -5
Maybe we should amass everyone who lives in teh US who can vote on this board and make them vote for Kerry! I, too,hope Bush gets voted out, and not only because of the gay marriage issue. He was the one who forced us into Iraq after 9/11. What linked Osama Bin Laden to Iraq, I don't know, but I definitely don't want to know, coming from Bush.
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Post by trublucoldcasefan on May 28, 2004 21:18:10 GMT -5
i may be too young to vote, but i still hope Bush is voted out of office. At one of the award shows (i forget which one, the one Billy Crystal hosted) he made a joke about the Bushes, Sr. and Jr. being president. he said that when the bushes were in office, we were at war with iraq, and the economy was in a slump, and something else im sure was negative. and although it was meant as a joke, he mad a point. the country under both president bushes was/ is a mess. we need someone who can fix the mess. aka John Kerry hopefully. ive also heard that democrats are more involved in education(?) ex. teacher's salaries, etc. and since im going into this line of work when i get older, why not start making it better right now? But back to what im supposed to be talking about . i am definitely oppose bush's amendment banning same sex marriages. i mean, how would he feel if we passed and amendment saying that the president couldnt be married? (bad example, i know) it's not our place to say who can get married and who cant. If people want to get married, let them! its their life, not the presidents, nor anyone elses.
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Post by Naj on Jun 1, 2004 9:45:30 GMT -5
I guess I just don't understand the thinking on this. What if Bush's daughters or grandchildren are gay. Will he feel okay that he has helped deny them rights? I just have a difficult time grasping this kind of thinking.
I read recently a historical account of how marriage came to be defined in America. We decided that it was to be man and wife. So I don't see why we can't change along with the times as they did 100-200 years ago. Nothing is ever written in stone.
~Naj
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Post by ebron on Jun 1, 2004 17:53:46 GMT -5
Nothing is ever written in stone. ~Naj You have an excellent point. The entire reason the USA was successful was precisely it's ability to change its constitutions. You can't just use your definition of marriage to dictate everyone else's. Also, those supporting the Act are sometimes using the Bible as a side arguement. (I go to a private school, so this is magnified ten times.) The Bible said the uniting of two people of the same sex is sinful (I don't know the exact text.) Let me explain to these particular people that not the entire country is Christian. Bush has no right to dictate our minds. God has no right to deny a person happiness, and if it means marrying another of the same sex, then so be it.
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Post by Naj on Jun 3, 2004 18:07:31 GMT -5
Hi Ebron,
Well if you look to our founding fathers they did believe in a more liberal belief of God. I'm not sure that it was entirely the God of the Bible. And church and state were specified to be separate. And the world's main belief isn't entirely the Christian perspective. It no longer works for America because of the various beliefs in God or who God is. So looking to the Bible is no longer reliable due to other beliefs in concepts of God. {in my opinion}. We've created a free country with certain freedoms but now we can't continue to shove one way down everyone's throats.
Now I hear on tonight's news that the Bush camp is contacting christain churches to help get votes for the election......
~Naj
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Post by ebron on Jun 3, 2004 19:34:40 GMT -5
Naj~ Hey, hey! We're on the same page!! ;D So he's getting votes from churches, eh? Couldn't Kerry do the same?
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