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Post by Naj on Dec 6, 2009 12:10:07 GMT -5
NEW EVIDENCE PROMPTS THE TEAM TO BELIEVE THAT FOUL PLAY WAS INVOLVED IN THE 1999 DEATH OF A HIGH SCHOOL DEBATE TEAM CHAMPION WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY DEEMED A SUICIDE, ON "COLD CASE," SUNDAY, DEC. 6
Reed Diamond ("Homicide: Life on the Street," "Dollhouse") Guest Stars As the Victim's Debate Team Coach
"Forensics" - The team searches for the killer of a champion debater from humble means who was wrongly believed to have committed suicide after losing his first debate three months into his scholarship-funded schooling at a competitive top private high school, on COLD CASE, Sunday, Dec. 6 (9:00 - 10:00, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Reed Diamond ("Homicide: Life on the Street," "Dollhouse") guest stars as the debate team coach at the victim's new school.
SERIES REGULARS:
Lilly Rush................................. Kathryn Morris
Scotty Valens................................. Danny Pino
Lt. John Stillman................................ John Finn
Nick Vera............................ Jeremy Ratchford
Will Jeffries................................... Thom Barry
Kat Miller................................... Tracie Thoms
RECURRING CAST:
Rosa Valens.................................. Terri Hoyos
GUEST CAST:
Luke Cronin (1999)....................... Nick Niven
Darren Musk (1999, 2009)....... Reed Diamond
Stan Cronin (1999 ,2009)................ Brad Hunt
Oliver Calhoun (1999)............ Dash Pomerantz
Oliver Calhoun (2009)................... Matt Biedel
Alyssa Lane (1999).......... Cherilyn Rae Wilson
Alyssa Lane (2009)........................ Vail Bloom
Ronnie Jacks (1999).............. Michael J. Pagan
Ronnie Jacks (2009)............ Darcas Macopson
Keith Oats (2009)........................ Miles Heizer
Emil Parker (2009)..................... Fatso Fasano
Dr. Andiman (2009)....................... Nelson Lee
Dr. McKenzie (2009).. William Stone Mahoney
Security Guard (1999)..... John Watkins Clagett
Debator One (1999)............ Michael C. Adrian
Debator Two (1999)......... Raquel Abrahamian
Debator Three (1999)....... Audrey Reba Povar
Debator Four (1999)............ Ian David Nelson
Debator Five (1999).................. Matt Bartilson
Debator Six (1999).................. Steven Krueger
Debator Seven (1999)................. Natalie Testa
WRITTEN BY: Jerome Schwartz
DIRECTED BY: Holly Dale
RATING: TV14-D
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Post by ninja1088 on Dec 6, 2009 22:09:35 GMT -5
Wasn't that impressed with this episode. I had the coach pegged as the doer from the start and to me it was simply another story of a poor kid who's better than the rich kids who look down on him.
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Post by madmax on Dec 6, 2009 22:22:10 GMT -5
It was a good episode, nicely written but too much of cliches. Text of Lilly at the beginning were cool thou. The 'never be to carefull' in flue season and looking into someone's eyes oh and taking the pen away. I don't know why but it felt nice  Like Ninja said another kid from poor family stuff and although debate aspect was interesting it just showed something that all people know - life of a student is hard too. No Kat again  Thing with Scotty's mother is interesting but takes damn too long... One last note on closing song Karma Police by Radiohead - would never thing of it as a closing song for this episode but it fitted nicely. I bet KM was happy too they used that song, I remember her saying she likes Radiohead. |
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Post by Kassandra on Dec 6, 2009 23:03:24 GMT -5
I actually really enjoyed this episode. Im not to sure why I liked it as much as I did maybe its my love for writting essays and theories. Not sure. But I loved the little things with Lilly like the pen and flu season thing I loved it. And Vera at the doctor was amazing! LOL I really enjoyed this episode. I really hope that they keep it at the 9pm slot now! that would be the best Christmas gift ever hint hint |
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Post by boxman on Dec 6, 2009 23:03:36 GMT -5
Ha! Well, I guess it's my ignorance of the Debate teams--and me being an old fart--that leads me to give this episode an "excellent". Sure, the haves/have nots theme has been used before. But it was my unfamiliarity of this whole debate competition that had me interested in the story. Also, MUCH more easier to pay attention to the episode when it's on at an earlier hour. I'm happy to see they'll be airing CC at a reasonable time now. |
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Post by ninja1088 on Dec 6, 2009 23:04:58 GMT -5
I am happy CC is back where it belongs at 9 p.m. Good riddance to TR.
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Post by Electrophile on Dec 6, 2009 23:51:17 GMT -5
I voted "good" for this one. As with other people here, I thought this was a tad on the cliched side, what with the "poor kid goes to rich school, can't fit in" angle that we've seen plenty of times before. Being a high school student sucks, whether you go to a hoity-toity school or one from the wrong side of the tracks. Every student goes through the same dramas and issues, I thought it was a little.....lazy of Cold Case to utilize this tactic again. I didn't have the coach ID'd as the killer right away but it became more apparent as the episode went on. I prefer it when you don't know who did it, right about to the very end. It keeps you watching.
As far as the music went, I thought using Karma Police to end it was very clever on CC's part. I mean, think about the title. You do wrong, wrong will do you. These things have a way of working themselves out.
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Post by vavavoomya on Dec 7, 2009 0:21:23 GMT -5
i loved everthing about this episode except the scirpt.Very season one is flashback style Actors were great and directing top drawer and murder scene made me jump. But what is with these scipts this season Debators really?
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Post by ninja1088 on Dec 7, 2009 0:34:03 GMT -5
I voted "good" for this one. As with other people here, I thought this was a tad on the cliched side, what with the "poor kid goes to rich school, can't fit in" angle that we've seen plenty of times before. Being a high school student sucks, whether you go to a hoity-toity school or one from the wrong side of the tracks. Every student goes through the same dramas and issues, I thought it was a little.....lazy of Cold Case to utilize this tactic again. I didn't have the coach ID'd as the killer right away but it became more apparent as the episode went on. I prefer it when you don't know who did it, right about to the very end. It keeps you watching. It's a cliche on most crime shows sadly. All rich people are snobs and cold hearted but are inferior to the good hearted middle class and poor. I know some people who have a $$ or two to their name. None of them act like this, as I'm sure the majority of people who have a lot of money don't. I've met middle and lower class people whose sense of entitlment would put the kids in this episode to shame. |
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Post by madmax on Dec 7, 2009 3:08:41 GMT -5
The thing with amphetamine striked me as odd. The moment I saw that flashback I knew guy is on something but I would have suspected something stronger by the way he was acting. People I've seen after taking amphetamine were talking a lot and fast but not acting so jumpy. That's just my opinion and maybe I just haven't met ebough people on it.
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Post by eduardo on Dec 7, 2009 10:38:53 GMT -5
I just have one word: WOW
I didn't feel this way with a Cold Case episode since SHUFFLE BALL CHANGE. I loved the last scenes between Luke/ his father & Luke/the coach. Powerful scenes. The right person watched the ghost. Absolutely loved it.
Tottally... Idk for now but this could be one of my all time top favorites
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 7, 2009 14:51:27 GMT -5
Right now I'm just going to say that the final scene between Luke and his coach was one of my favorite scenes. It beautifully paralleled the whole debate angle that had been running through the show. It also showed what a crappy debater the coach was. I mean, if the only thing you can say during a debate is "Shut up!" "I'm better than you!" "You suck!" then you're doing it wrong.
There's also an ironic what-if scenario. What if Luke hadn't taken the gun from his father? Would his father have shot himself, but Luke would've remained alive? Or would the coach have gone to another method of killing Luke? Ex: strangling him.
I hate people like him (the coach), people who act like they're superior to everyone else, but as soon as a weakness is exposed they turn angry, and violent.
I will admit right now that I'll need to re-watch the episode. I was so focused on penning the song names that I feel I missed a few things.
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Post by ninja1088 on Dec 7, 2009 15:34:50 GMT -5
I think the coach would have killed Luke in some other way. As you said,the coach is like most narcisstic people in that they consider themselves superiors to others and they HATE when people show them they aren't. This violent act was more belivable than some of the others due to that fact. Coach cared about Luke only in that Luke could get him to the championships, nothing more.
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Post by Trublu on Dec 7, 2009 15:45:21 GMT -5
Right now I'm just going to say that the final scene between Luke and his coach was one of my favorite scenes. It beautifully paralleled the whole debate angle that had been running through the show. It also showed what a crappy debater the coach was. I mean, if the only thing you can say during a debate is "Shut up!" "I'm better than you!" "You suck!" then you're doing it wrong. There's also an ironic what-if scenario. What if Luke hadn't taken the gun from his father? Would his father have shot himself, but Luke would've remained alive? Or would the coach have gone to another method of killing Luke? Ex: strangling him. I hate people like him (the coach), people who act like they're superior to everyone else, but as soon as a weakness is exposed they turn angry, and violent. I will admit right now that I'll need to re-watch the episode. I was so focused on penning the song names that I feel I missed a few things. I very much liked this scene as well; the use of the camera angles, the lighting, the dual screens (can't remember if that was in the final scene, but it was very nicely used throughout the episode) was all very well done, and like TRB said, really served well to showcase the coach's character. While I think the story line was a bit cliched, I think the worst thing would have been if the friend was the doer because he hadn't gotten the scholarship; that would have ruined it for me. The coach makes sense, and I liked the last scene so much that it overshadowed the cliche for me. Now, if they would just get on with it with Scotty's mother... goodness, that story line is slower than molasses! |
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Post by princesschristmas on Dec 8, 2009 1:51:20 GMT -5
I voted good. This case didn't appeal to me like the previous cases did probably because I'm not really interested into debate. I think I was more interested in the subplot with Scotty's mom. The multiple screens was different, but I liked it.
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Post by eduardo on Dec 8, 2009 12:59:39 GMT -5
Anyone else liked the final scene between Luke & his father? I liked it a lot!
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 8, 2009 13:38:06 GMT -5
I did, it was a very harrowing scene needless to say. Which reminds me; has anyone else noticed another cliche in this show? The cliche I'm talking about is the one where, Person A wants to kill themselves. Person B (ALWAYS the victim) convinces them not to do it. Person A doesn't kill themselves. Person B is killed.
I know this episode isn't the only episode that's done this before.
Oh! and the music! I was in highschool back in 1999-2002, and nearly every song they played were songs that I heard back then. There was a huge nostalgia factor with the music in this episode.
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Post by ninja1088 on Dec 8, 2009 14:06:14 GMT -5
I did, it was a very harrowing scene needless to say. Which reminds me; has anyone else noticed another cliche in this show? The cliche I'm talking about is the one where, Person A wants to kill themselves. Person B (ALWAYS the victim) convinces them not to do it. Person A doesn't kill themselves. Person B is killed. I know this episode isn't the only episode that's done this before. They did it in Schadenfreude as well. Lindsey took the gun away from her husband only to have Kitty use it on her later. |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 8, 2009 17:50:23 GMT -5
And they did it in Detention as well. Except the one who wanted to jump wound up killing his friend during the struggle.
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Post by byrdman9802 on Dec 8, 2009 20:18:21 GMT -5
Hello boys and girls! Hey there! It's the Byrdman coming at you on this rocking Monday night! I hope that you all are well, and that your weeks are all off to great starts, just like mine is! I gave this episode an excellent - I thought it was very well put together and it was a very interesting story. I felt for the victim immediately - smart kid coming from a rough start to show his true intelligence on the big stage. Unfortunately, Luke did have his flaws. But he did beat them in the end and was going to set the story right, like his dad helped to teach him. Lilly looked absolutely gorgeous in this episode. I loved her clothes, makeup, hair, her fire for the case. Also liked the way that she twirled that pen on her fingers at the end. Like I've said so often - what a beautiful girl! I was kept guessing for most of the case - so many possibilities. I guess there always is in a case like this involving a high schooler. I liked Luke's dad too. He went through a rough time near the end of course, but he helped to educate his son in the ways of life. I really felt bad about all the pain that he put himself through blaming himself for the death of his son. I'm glad he could smile at the end. Where was Kat? I guess it was another budget cut on the show. And Vera.....he is headed for a possible disaster. Did you hear that first doctor he saw? Liver failure, lots of bad cholesterol, and the way he was struggling with those boxes he was carrying midway through the show. And Scotty is probably about to blow a gasket. You've seen how mad he can get about his personal life, imagine what it will be like once he tracks down this loser who hurt his mom. I can't imagine it will be good. But this was an excellent episode. Held my attention for the whole show! Does anyone else think this season is getting better as we go?  |
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Like Ninja said another kid from poor family stuff and although debate aspect was interesting it just showed something that all people know - life of a student is hard too.
