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Post by byrdman9802 on Nov 23, 2005 18:52:09 GMT -5
Good evening everyone, Hello, it's the Byrdman just coming at you. Is everyone doing well? I hope so, and I hope that you all have a great Thanksgiving Holiday, realizing all the true blessings we enjoy today.  But yes, the TNT site said this ep will be shown on Tuesday, December 6 (10 pm central time) on Channel 245 (TNT on DirecTV). Just wanted to let everyone know. Thanks, take care, and have a Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!  |
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Post by boxman on Jul 5, 2006 0:14:05 GMT -5
Very interesting to see early Scotty. There's a funny dialog between rookie detective Scotty Valens and his more experienced co-workers at the start of the show: Scotty: I say we go right now to Delaware. Lilly: No need. Delaware's coming here. Stillman: Don't get too excited, Scotty. Scotty: Hmph. Serial job don't get you hopped up just a little, boss? Stillman: (pauses, and turns to Lilly) What else do we know about the victim, Lil.... It's very similar and seems to allude to a famous joke in the 1988 movie "Colors" told by an experienced LAPD cop (Robert Duvall) to his rookie partner (Sean Penn). The "buddie joke" is meant to explain the importance of the police keeping their cool: Bob Hodges (Duvall): (to his new partner, Sean Penn) There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and f**K one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Let's walk down...and f**k 'em all." [ETA: Delaware is both down river and south of Philadelphia.] I couldn't believe how many times Scotty said the word "Lied" when interrogating the Russian store owner, Medvedenko. About ten is what I counted. This, plus introducing us to his old boss Manny at "West" sets us up for the episode "Sanctuary" two years ahead into the future!! WOW!!  |
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Post by TVFan on Jul 5, 2006 10:16:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Scotty got a little over zealous in this one. When Lilly questioned him, he took it out on her. I loved that they still weren't getting along later when they needed to go to the rental car place!
What did you think about Lilly's interrogation with Henry, boxman? It's one of her more famous ones, so I'm curious to hear what you thought. ;D
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Post by LillyKat on Jul 5, 2006 13:01:04 GMT -5
Tuned into this ep on TNT last night ... thought it was a great ep. Absolutely loved the Lilly vs. Henry interrogation. That was a classic. I actually also enjoyed Scotty being put in his place a bit by his over-eager approach to a) the serial killer possibility; b) the forced confession of Medvedenko. I thought he was pretty dense in not making any connection to past Soviet/KGB terrorizing when Medvedenko said, "You're going to make me disappear?" Like, it went right over his head. LOL! I thought that kind of strange - especially for a cop, and especially when both Lilly and Stillman made the connection so easily. I guess Scotty was just too hyped to be rational at that moment. But, on the flip side, I liked how Scotty gave Lilly props when talking to his old boss about working with "a girl." "Nah, she came from North. She did real good there." |
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Post by boxman on Jul 6, 2006 2:28:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Scotty got a little over zealous in this one. When Lilly questioned him, he took it out on her. I loved that they still weren't getting along later when they needed to go to the rental car place! What did you think about Lilly's interrogation with Henry, boxman? It's one of her more famous ones, so I'm curious to hear what you thought. ;D One of "her more famous ones"?? Hmm... Are you sure you're ready for my reaction?? ;D ;D ;D Well, I hate to disappoint you and others, but it didn't really register with me. Not that I thought it was a bad scene, because it was rather good.... It's just that Lilly wasn't very impressive to me. For one thing, we already know from the Delaware detective's looong record of the guy that Henry Floyd is one baaadddd dude. And the following scene--the interview with his truckstop honey Janice Burns--also underlined Floyd's dirty persona. So going into the interrogation room, we know *that Lilly knows* that Floyd's nuthin' but trouble. It wasn't surprising to me that they had that whiteboard prepared in the interrogation room. Lilly had her plan set for dealing with him, and just dealt her cards slowly as he tried to intimidate her. Unfortunately, Henry won. She challenged him to a polygraph...he didn't flinch, took the test, and passed! I thought Lilly was weak-knee'd by offering to get him coffee at the very beginning. No offense to anyone, but why lower oneself to "secretary status" when you know you're dealing with a hardcore, male-chauvinist criminal? I didn't see the point in giving him a status-setting opening like that. What if Henry said, "Yeah, Dolly. I'll take a cup. Make it black."  She'd leave the room, leaving him with Scotty?? I don't think so, with her knowing that Scotty's the rookie. Or was she planning on ordering Scotty go get the coffee if he said yes?? Then there would be one less detective in that room, plus he'd figure out exactly who was the junior detective. It didn't make any sense for her to accomodate the guy in any way once they entered that room. That offer of coffee led to a slip-up on the detective's part, leaving them with one less detective, when they had the numerical advantage to begin with!! Even Lilly's line, "You wanna do me, huh?" was rather weak-willed on her part. This, plus the coffee bit only gave Floyd more confidence to intimidate her...... And that's not the name-of-the-game. The point of bringing a suspect into an interrogation room is to get them to tell the truth, not to make them feel comfortable and entertained with playing games with you. So when Lilly sends Scotty out, again, we see Lilly, the Femme Fatale. "You've been naughty, Henry." I think the way Kathryn Morris delivered this line should have hinted *very strongly* to you old-timers that something's definitely wrong with Lilly, even if you folks didn't catch how Henry won the power play that I just explained about the coffee!! Again in this episode, Lilly made a *very strange* use of her femininity at a *very odd* point in time. I just can't see how any male chauvinist would take her seriously past that point. Henry: Am I under arrest? Lilly: No. You're free to go. Want to? Henry: No. I'm enjoying myself. As far as the technicalities are concerned, great acting on Kathryn Morris' part (and Rhino Michaels), and the lines and situation were written and filmed well. Still, the Henry Floyd character was sooo bigoted, that he was almost a caricature to me. Very little depth, and easy to figure out what turns him on and what @#$@ him off... And I think there was a reason for this. I saw this scene as part of a larger, methodical way to contrast Lilly with Scotty. Lilly could tell Scotty to leave the room, as she had the confidence and ability to do the interview on her own. Scotty, on the other hand, needed his two training wheels watching him as he tried his hand at getting a confession from Medvedenko. It's even more sophisticated, because this scene kinda shows that Lilly isn't exactly all that talented either, that some of her suspects just pass right through her. She was using her intellect, when in reality, it was all about power and status. Floyd didn't need to pay any attention to her intellectual arguments, because he knew he was in control of the situation. (He knew he was the "Papa Bull", and acted cooly with Lilly as he 'messed' with her mind...) Floyd: Dolly, you and me, we don't see the world in the same way. It was only by sheer luck that Lilly saw his bald shoe and her intellect suddenly became better than his power play... Overall, rather than the stereotypical @-holes like Henry, I find psychologically troubled criminals much more interesting, scary, and just plain entertaining to watch in movies and television. I found last week's (1.09) "Sherry Darlin'" much more thrilling, with its unpredictable direction and reaction from Lilly as she dealt with James in the basement. And again, this interview? Hmmm.. Seemed more like a device to establish the Lilly and Scotty characters..... Nothing wrong with that, though. Perfectly alright with me, considering it was only Scotty's fourth episode?? Something like that... Sorry, TVFan, although this was an excellent scene in establishing Lilly and Scotty's characters for the series, this wasn't one of Lilly's brighter moments with me!!  |
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Post by TVFan on Jul 6, 2006 14:35:04 GMT -5
No worries boxman. I can definitely see what you're saying. I always thought the coffee line was strange, too, but assumed it was in there to set up the rest of the scene.
I think that Lilly thought that Henry was going to be an easy interview. As you pointed out, he was so shallow that he was almost a caricature, so Lilly probably assumed that he was like every other guy like that that she had met. By playing along with his game, she could gain the upperhand. Make him want you, and he'll slip up - that kind of thing. What she didn't realize was that Floyd had the upperhand the entire time because he knew they couldn't prove that he did anything (and he knew he'd pass the polygraph), and he could see through her act. Besides, he wasn't giving it up for a cute blond on a powertrip (as he saw it). After all, he didn't have to because he was "enjoying" himself with the free show either way.
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Post by boxman on Jul 6, 2006 23:22:05 GMT -5
Thinking about it more, it seems that both Lilly and Henry started off the interview with a sense that they each had the upper hand. Henry probably felt really good that he skated through the Delaware detective's interview, without realizing that he slipped with the 'hitchhiker' knowledge. Seeing the Delaware detective at the truck stop before he was brought into Philly PD probably only encouraged his bravado even more. Lilly, on the other hand, also probably felt confident because she *knew* he slipped earlier. Unfortunately, I think she chose the wrong tactic with him. It seems to me that Henry was very aware that Lilly's strategy wasn't going to work on him, so he played her like a violin. Henry's overconfidence was his downfall, as he had the nerve to put his shoes on the table. Again, sheer luck to Lilly, I think. It didn't seem to me that she had planned to let him feel over-confident and then have him goof up in the process.  She seemed too disappointed with the polygraph test. (Though I really like her ability to pick herself up after failing like that!) Hmmm. I wonder if this is another theme to the show? You know, people who are overconfident and fail--like the story of Icarus?? Wait a minute. This is very interesting... Icarus: "In the Greek mythology, Icarus was ... famous for his death by falling into the Aegean Sea when the wax holding his artificial wings together melted." (he he... another Water reference....) and Icarus in Modern Culture: "Icarus continues to be cited as a moral lesson about the danger of hubris, suggesting that someone who dares to fly too close to the realm of the gods will suffer for it. Icarus may be regarded as a metaphor for a social fall...."I notice the next episode is "1.11 Hubris". Interesting... because the word Hubris has Greek origins. I musn't miss this next episode!! |
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Post by boxman on Jul 6, 2006 23:35:07 GMT -5
....I guess Scotty was just too hyped to be rational at that moment. But, on the flip side, I liked how Scotty gave Lilly props when talking to his old boss about working with "a girl." "Nah, she came from North. She did real good there." Yeah, LillyKat, it's good that you pointed that out. I like that a lot too! With Lilly distracted by the cell phone and out of earshot because of the office glass, it would be easy for two men to act like boys and do "the guy thing". They could easily have traded dumb sexist comments to each other, but they didn't. For all the (well-deserved) criticism that Scotty gets, I don't think I've ever seen an episode where Scotty disrespects women. Sure, he likes to think of himself as a 'hero' or whatnot with women, but can you remember ever seeing him disrespect a woman?? Though some would argue that dating Lilly's sister was disrespectful to Lilly, that seemed more incidental than intentional. I can't recall him ever intentionally treating any woman with disrespect.... |
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Post by tiger_lilly on Jul 7, 2006 1:48:13 GMT -5
....I can't recall him ever intentionally treating any woman with disrespect.... True, but if he'd think things through a little before going through with them maybe he wouldn't hurt people like he does. Being "sloppy" about romance/relationships could be qualified as disrespectful in my book. |
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Post by LillyKat on Jul 7, 2006 15:56:43 GMT -5
True, but if he'd think things through a little before going through with them maybe he wouldn't hurt people like he does. Being "sloppy" about romance/relationships could be qualified as disrespectful in my book. This is an excellent point, tiger_lilly. Sometimes, actions can speak much louder than words - and it's one's behavior or choices that can get one in trouble. Agreed, boxman that whilst Scotty isn't overtly disrespectful to women (or anyone else), he does, at times, make some pretty poor choices (at least I'm starting to see that as I catch up on the series). And, it seems he does not really stop to think about the consequences of those choices and/or his actions, which gets him into some trouble. How does a cop NOT tell his partner - the person he depends on the most any given day of the week - that he is not dating her sister? I mean, it's just a basic courtesy/respect thing to say, "Hey, I kinda dig your sister. I'm going to take her out." Even though Lilly would protest, at least he would've been up front and honest with her. Instead, he plays games, hides it, denies it. Really poor decision, and arguably, totally disrespectful of Lilly by his choice of action/behavior. But some people have to learn things the hard way, and perhaps Scotty is one of those people. The other thread about Detective ages ... something like Scotty is 31 going on 12 is too funny - and true! |
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Post by boxman on Jul 8, 2006 11:07:16 GMT -5
True, but if he'd think things through a little before going through with them maybe he wouldn't hurt people like he does. Being "sloppy" about romance/relationships could be qualified as disrespectful in my book. This is an excellent point, tiger_lilly. Sometimes, actions can speak much louder than words - and it's one's behavior or choices that can get one in trouble. I thought Scotty's interrogation scene in this episode is a good example of how his actions speak louder than words. The way he thought he did a good job--while Lilly and Stillman saw otherwise--was rather revealing!! As this is a Season One episode, and we're beginning to talk about things that popped up in Season Three, do we need to be courteous to those who aren't in Season Three and continue this discussion elsewhere?? I'll start a new thread. ;D |
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Post by annesommer on Aug 26, 2007 14:53:59 GMT -5
Hello
"The Hitchhiker" is one of my all over favorite episodes. It is a interesting case and great episode , even it the end is rather obvious.
Blaine was still a loser, while Matt get his life in control. Matt want to stay to law and not to do something illegal again. He want to inform the casino of Blaine`s plans. He as successful, He won in Atlantic City. This was his death sentence. Blaine couldn't`t stand it.
I love the ending so much.
The owner of the Grocery Store, who finally learn to forgive. The finale scene between him and Scotty.
The shock/sadness of Matt's parents and sister, when Lilly told them that Blaine did it. The cousin nephew. They not only lose a son,, but also a other family member.
The song "Believe" is just right for this episode.
Anne
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Post by eurache on Dec 30, 2007 18:03:58 GMT -5
RE-airing on January 8th, 2008! ;D
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Post by eurache on Jun 7, 2008 10:24:20 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JUNE 11, 2008 (3AM)
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Post by eurache on Aug 2, 2008 10:29:04 GMT -5
RE-AIRING ON TNT - 8/6/2008 - 5AM ET
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Post by stillmanfan on May 7, 2010 20:48:25 GMT -5
Saw this episode a few times and I liked the interrogation scene between Scotty and the Russian. I guess Scotty gets overzealous at times and I forgot about Scotty's old boss at West.
Too bad Matt got killed by his own cousin.
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Post by nomnivore on Apr 6, 2011 1:25:01 GMT -5
Good episode.
I really liked Matt- he'd got his life back on track and was obviously a smart kid with a bright future.
Blaine was a pure narcissist - obsessed with himself and his grand ideas. I don't know if it was the actor or the director's choice, but there was something seriously annoying about the way the actor portrayed Blaine. He had that really high pitched voice and he sounded manic most of the time. Usually the acting choices in this show are really good. It's a pity, because a different actor (or director) could have really lifted this episode.
Blaine so would have invested in Nevrex and LionStaff.
I wish Katie had seen Matt's ghost. She seemed to really care for him, plus she still missed him deeply.
I liked the scenes between Lilly and Floyd. I also really liked the way they portrayed his girlfriend, Janice. A lot of shows might have made her out to be a figure of fun, or pathetic, but instead the show made her out to be a sympathetic woman stuck in a bad relationship. I'm glad she got to be free of Floyd.
Loved seeing the actor who plays Sam Royal- he must have had dozens of different roles in different shows over the years, and he always does a good job.
Scotty was an absolute idiot in this episode- the way he treated Medavenanco was appalling. (You would think with his grandfather's background, Scotty would be a bit more understanding). It was obvious Medavenanco thought Scotty was going to make him or his little boy "disappear" if he didn't confess to murder. So glad Stillman and Lilly called him on it.
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She'd leave the room, leaving him with Scotty?? I don't think so, with her knowing that Scotty's the rookie. Or was she planning on ordering Scotty go get the coffee if he said yes?? Then there would be one less detective in that room, plus he'd figure out exactly who was the junior detective. It didn't make any sense for her to accomodate the guy in any way once they entered that room. That offer of coffee led to a slip-up on the detective's part, leaving them with one less detective, when they had the numerical advantage to begin with!!
She seemed too disappointed with the polygraph test. (Though I really like her ability to pick herself up after failing like that!)
