Episode 2.08 "Red Glare"

[TVFan]

Here's the description from the CBS site:

Old wounds caused by the communist witch hunts of the 1950s are re-opened when Lilly and the team re-investigate an unsolved murder from 1953.

Guest Cast List:

Elliot Garvey (’53): Josh Randall
Robert (’53): Kendre Berry
Norman (’53): Bucky Dominick
Boy (’53): Wyatt Smith
Girl (’53): Stephanie Patton
Mr. Jenkins (’53): David Grant Wright
Christina: Nicky Aycox
Howard Lang: Randy Oglesby
Claire Copely: Patricia Forte
Renaldo Copely (’53): Gilbert Glenn Brown
George Sealey: Orson Bean
George Sealey (’53): Johnny Sneed
Reina Kraus (’53): Iva Hasperger
Dean Lang: Dion Anderson
Dean Lang (’53): Patrick J. Adams
Kay Lang (’53): Kimberly Quinn
Heather (’53): Emily Montague
Kay Lan: Ellen Geer
Reina Kraus: Rita Zohar
Wade Ribble (’53): Bob Papenbrook

[Ryebeach]

Just a couple of reminders.

Orson Bean, who was blacklisted by Hollywood in real life in the 50's, guest stars.

This ep will mark the first appearance of Lilly's sister.

[eurache]

Wow..Orson Beans!! this should be a good one infact ten minutes to go see ya later.. :wave:

[Naj]

Lily was cold to her sister! Wow!

As far as the ep, this one wasn't an interesting storyline to me. I expect that to happen, though, through the season.


~Naj

[Trublu]

I thought this was an ok ep. I was really excited to see Lilly's sister! It must have hit a nerve, seeing her sister in the squad room, judging by the way that she acted towards her. She was awfully cold to her! When they were talking outside, and Scotty walked out, and Christina (sp?) and Scotty smiled at each other, did anyone else see Lilly's eyes bug out? Sort of like a 'no, she is NOT getting chummy with my partner' kinda look. Funny. Then later, when Christina showed up at Lilly's apartment, and they referenced something that happened 9 years ago.. hope they follow up on this soon. It looks like Christina will be around for a while at least, since she was looking for a job, and apparently she doesnt like NYC....

And now to the actual case! I never guessed who the killer was, and there were some pretty good spins on the case, like Elliot's son being the one to actually have trashed the car, but overall i wasnt impressed with the case itself. The episode was ok, but only because of some of the insight into Lilly's past.

Ah well, next week's looks like it might do a little more for me (and did you see that cute hat Lilly was wearing? I smell an avatar coming on....)

[Ryebeach]

This ep did not have an as emotional impact to me as past episodes. It was ok and I never guessed the killer, which was good because I always like to be surprised.

I was also surprised how mean Lilly was to Christina. She must have really done something bad to Lilly 9 years ago. I wonder what it could be?

My favorite thing about this ep was during the flashbacks how they were in color most of time but when Eliot would see the FBI spooks, it would change to black and white. That was a cool effect.

It was nice how the two sons and the mother were reunited at the end and it was true how Lilly told Harvey that not just Eliot's life ended in 1953, so did the wife and two boys. I felt bad for that family.

I was totally surprised that Eliot's son was the one who slashed his tires and wrote on his car although I knew he never could have killed his dad.

[r2k]

Once again, I seem to be on the opposite end. I thought this was a great episode. I even knew some of the songs. My parents grew up in the fifties so they knew them as well. There were some excellent twists and good lines. I love Scotty's line to the son. "Do they give merit badges for homicides?" Lily's sister was interesting. However, this might mess up a few things. Last season, Lily had to pick up her mother's prescription because her sister was unreliable. Is this the same sister, or is there also another? Great as this episode was, The Sleepover still remains my favorite. I can't wait for the next one. Well, I'm going to finish my lesson plans for tomorrow. Our principal notified us of evaluations so we need to be ready. We never know when she'll strike. Of course, I'm going to check a few other new messages here. Later

[papertiger]

R2K, I'm pretty sure Lilly only has one sister because in "Fly Away" when she and Scotty were looking through the social worker's files she said something like: "Case number 4200, Ellen Rush. 2 dependents." i.e. her and Christina.

[Tracylynn]

I will have to agree with the others on this being an Ok episode. I just really couldn't get into it. It seemed like it was lacking something. I guess the story didn't seemed to be that strong, even though I was surprised to find out who killed Elliot. I didn't see that nor did I see the oldest son vandalising his father's car.

I was surprised to see how Lily reacted to her sister. WOW! I can't wait to find out what happen 9 years ago. I wonder if it has something to do with a man? Maybe it has something to do with a man that both of them liked?

It was nice to see the family get reunited at the end of the show. That was sweet to see.

Tracylynn

[misguided freak]

It was all right, not one of the show's best. Perhaps because I was more interested in what happened between Lilly and Christina 9 years ago. I only hope it won't turn into something like the Abby/Eric/Bipolar Sally Field storyline on ER.

[TVFan]

I thought this episode was good, but it just didn't interest me like the others have. The case was interesting because I didn't know who killed Mr. Garvey until the end. I really thought it was the son b/c of the knife blade. I knew the symbol had to be associated with the Boy Scouts, but it never occured to me that he had vandalized the car (probably b/c I spent a lot of the ep confused).

Even though Mr. Garvey was a great character, I wasn't moved by his death. There was no emotional impact for me. I found the time period to be quite interesting, though. Cold Case always does a nice job with the set design, costumes, dialogue, and social relevance from the older cases. In other words, the cases aren't old just to be old. They have relevance to the time period.

I spent the entire episode sucked in to the Lilly and her sister storyline (which probably explains my confusion on the case ). I was surprised by Lilly's cold reaction to Chris. I noticed a lot of others were as well, and I think it's because we don't know the nature of their relationship nor the context of Lilly's anger. When Chris was waiting outside Lill's home, I thought Lilly would let her in. The conversation that ensued gave me the impression that Chris stole a man from Lilly (or at the very least cheated with someone Lilly loved). Maybe it was her motorcycle man? If Chris did steal or cheat with someone Lilly loved (and was possibly supposed to marry), this would explain her anger toward Chris and her trust issues with men. Just a theory.

Next week's episode looks really good, and I'm glad InsideR said it was a strong ep (b/c like others I don't much pay attention to CBS's promos). I'm excited to see that Veena Sud wrote it.

[Ryebeach]

papertiger said:

R2K, I'm pretty sure Lilly only has one sister because in "Fly Away" when she and Scotty were looking through the social worker's files she said something like: "Case number 4200, Ellen Rush. 2 dependents." i.e. her and Christina.

Good memory papertiger

[V]

Hi everybody! New to this board and a new fan of Cold Case. I, too, was shocked to see that other side of Lilly yesterday, but I have a feeling that it's something other/deeper than a sis-stealing-man type of situation. I would think that Lilly would have gotten over that in 9 years. An attractive, intelligent woman like Lilly could have any man (or woman) that she wants. Maybe it has something to do with the family as a whole? What do you all think?

[Trublu]

V said:

Hi everybody! New to this board and a new fan of Cold Case. I, too, was shocked to see that other side of Lilly yesterday, but I have a feeling that it's something other/deeper than a sis-stealing-man type of situation. I would think that Lilly would have gotten over that in 9 years. An attractive, intelligent woman like Lilly could have any man (or woman) that she wants. Maybe it has something to do with the family as a whole? What do you all think?

I could definitely see the situation being something the whole family was involved in. Judging from "Fly Away" *thanks papertiger* the problem could definitely involve their mother. Theory: Maybe their mother got sick 9 years ago (that would explain the meds) and Christina bailed on Lilly leaving her all alone to take care of her? (since for the moment their father is non-existant). I could see it being about a guy too (as a lot of people seem to think) Esp. if it were that motorcycle guy, since their plans seemed to be abrubtly interupted.

[V]

trubluCCfan said:

I could definitely see the situation being something the whole family was involved in. Judging from "Fly Away" *thanks papertiger* the problem could definitely involve their mother. Theory: Maybe their mother got sick 9 years ago (that would explain the meds) and Christina bailed on Lilly leaving her all alone to take care of her? (since for the moment their father is non-existant). I could see it being about a guy too (as a lot of people seem to think) Esp. if it were that motorcycle guy, since their plans seemed to be abrubtly interupted.

Re: family situation -- that's what I'm thinking. Well, since I missed all of 1st season (yes, totally new Cold Case fan), I'm definitely not in a position to talk about the "man situation," but I just get a sense that there's more to this and that Lilly's hurt runs deeper than the loss of a man. But you can tell me to shut up, since I don't really now what I'm talking about. It's just a feeling I have...

[Trublu]

Hey, dont be so hard on yourself! We dont have a lot of backround information ourselves. They revealed a tiny (really, like microscopic) part of Lilly's personal life in the first season. i agree, i think its more than a guy for her. if he was *dumb* enough to leave our beloved Lilly, then he wasnt good enough for her anyways

I go mostly on gut feeling myself. Most of the time you will probably have no idea what im trying to say, because half the time i dont know what im trying to say either :lol: but a lot of the time too, gut feeling is absolutely correct. And anyhoo, here there is no right or wrong (cept for maybe in the trivia section)

[robinsox21]

This was an OK episode with not much emotional or dramatic pull. I have to admit this has been a disappointing season so far. Last year ended so impressively with so much momentum and many of these episodes have been flat. Excet for "The Sleepover", "Who's You Daddy", and the episode about the murder at the diner, this season has been average. I think many of these older cold case's have less appeal because in many ways what happened 60 years ago is so far in the past that it doesnt change or impact the lives today as the newer cases do. I hope for a strong finish to sweeps next week otherwise this has been a forgettable month

[Ryebeach]

robinsox21 said:

I think many of these older cold case's have less appeal because in many ways what happened 60 years ago is so far in the past that it doesnt change or impact the lives today as the newer cases do.

You raise an interesting point robinsox, although I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[CC Fan]

That was an interesting episode. Not the best, but not the worst either. I thought the stuff with Lilly's sister was interesting, and I hope they keep her around because any insight into her personal life is good.

This episode for me was a little confusing though, at times, because I couldn't keep track of who was who. Then again, I was really really tired, but for some reason, I forgot that they had two sons and I couldn't understand why they flashed back to a younger boy sometimes.

[samanda]

This episode reairs Saturday the 28th of May at 9 o'clock.