Episode 2.20: Kensington

[Disasterfreak]

Anyone feel up to giving details about how this NY cop-Lilly scene transpired?

I've heard people say there wasn't any actual chemistry between them (yet), but there definitely was some chemistry with her cat! That being the case, I'm sure Lilly'll be much more open to him. But they haven't actually had much contact yet, have they?

I've also heard different things about how Lilly reacted to this cop looking for Chris. Some say she couldn't care less (about protecting Chris), others say she helped her lots, by telling her she was being searched for and not leading the cop to her. I'm wondering... what was your view on the subject?

[irishkale]

I wonder if the NY Cop is Lilly's new love interest?

There was ALOT of chemistry there:

1) They were antagonistic with each other--which "most of the time" turns into romance in a TV series

2) Olivia (the cat) run right up to him and seemed friendly. He petted her and didn't care that she was "a mutant" [Kite's words]

3) He recognized that Olivia was a girl cat. That should score some points with Lil.

4) He seemed too "leading man-ish" for the typical cop who would appear on Cold Case.

5) Lilly seemed to enjoy trading barbs with him, like she had finally "met her match."

6) It would be the ultimate Karmic payback towards Christina if Lilly started dating the cop who was tracking Christina down.

7) She copped the same attitude that we saw with Kite.

8) A theme of the episode with regards to Lilly and James was "If it can't be me, I hope it's someone nice"--and then bam, this new guy pops up.

9) Lilly talked to Christina to warn her... but was she also secretly trying to find out if Christina was actually dating the cop, too? (if her answer was no, then Lil might pursue the guy.)

10) ANYBODY BUT SCOTTY! (ABS!)



One thing I thought was interesting; I have to applaud the "CBS Previews" editors for not spoiling the whole James-Lilly thing. I didn't see that coming in the previews. Also the nice shots of Lilly in street clothes were a total surprise.

[Disasterfreak]

Wow, more hints than I had thought. You sure are observant, Irishkale! Thanks ;D.

I don't really feel like Lilly getting a new love interest, but the rest of the world seems to, and from the looks of this NY cop (and his actions), she might do worse.

[trimguy]

I just want to say. The Cold case crew is a great bunch of people o work with. parts of Kennsing :)ton were filmed at the factory where I work. Iwas there while they filmed. It was a real treat to watch this people work. If was really neat to see how the finished shots came out.

[Disasterfreak]

That's so cool, trimguy. Did you get to be an "extra"?

[Naj]

Hi TracyLynn :wave:

I thought maybe you stopped watching or something. YAY!


Hi trimguy! :welcome:

Sounds interesting to be there. Any more tidbits?


~Naj

[Ryebeach]

trimguy said:

I just want to say. The Cold case crew is a great bunch of people o work with. parts of Kennsing :)ton were filmed at the factory where I work. Iwas there while they filmed. It was a real treat to watch this people work. If was really neat to see how the finished shots came out.

Exciting. It must have been real interesting to see how this show is filmed in person.

Welcome to the board!! :welcome: Have fun posting.

[ruda]

it was great episode! ;D
I love him ;D

[coeurdobscurite]

So.. this NYPD detective is gonna be Lil's new love interest, huh?

Personally, I didn't like him too much. He seemed kind of @$#*y the way he talked, but he was sort of cute. So it's all good.


hmm.. I guess the board automatically edited out the word........ I guess smug/overly self-assured works too?

[Disasterfreak]

LOL... same thing happened to me once before too. And they weren't even nasty words. ;D

[TVFan]

I just watched this episode (I have a lot of TV to catch up on), and I really liked it. I was so happy when they showed James. He and Mark (from "Lover's Lane") were the two most memorable characters from season one for me. I had wondered if Lilly still kept in touch with James since they had such a strong connection in "Sherry Darlin'."

Regarding James, I thought that Lilly was a little cold toward him compared to how she had been last season. I guess she was a little embarrised that the rest of the team found out that she had kept in contact with him (even though it appeared to be one-sided). It puzzled me that she kept it one sided because she seemed changed by her experience with James in "Sherry Darlin'," to the point where I would have thought she would have written back before this point. I also thought her answer to what she meant when she said, "I'm your girl now" (one of the best lines of last season) was a little harsh. I know she was trying to let him down easy, but I thought that there was more behind the statement than her explaination. I didn't think it was a romantic thing, but I thought she meant it in a "I believe in you and care about you" type of way. I loved the closing scene with her sitting down to write him back, and I thought it was made more poignant by the fact that we didn't get to see what she wrote.

I thought the case was very intricate. It kept me guessing the entire hour. I also used to watch Chad Allen on Dr. Quinn, so it was nice to see him again. It was sad to see how the whole thing really went down and the life-long affect it has had on the killer. These were desperate men who were just trying to keep their heads above water. Too bad they made it worse by turning on one another. I thought that both Lilly and Scotty did a nice job in the end talking Monty out of killing himself. It was so personal to Scotty, and so crucial for Lilly since she had been able to keep James from killing himself last season. Both detectives really showed how much they cared.

The NYPD detective seemed to be interested in Lilly, but then again he didn't. I wasn't sure if it was going to go anywhere or not. It seemed like they were setting it up, but then it seemed to go nowhere. I thought he was a little too similar to Kite to be good for Lilly, but you never know. I read InsideR's post, so I know the truth now, but I didn't when watching the scene.

Overall, a strong episode.

[Disasterfreak]

First of all, I wanna apologize for copy & pasting the exact same thing I posted on Source Number 1. It's just really late and I took a long time to think this out and write it, and I honestly don't think I can do better than this. So please, don't hold it against me.

I didn't like this episode as much as I thought I would. The casefile seemed a little sloppy--the reasons Monty had for killing his friend just weren't enough, and I wasn't a big fan of Monty to begin with. But they were pretty desperate, financially speaking--and desperate people do desperate things. Still... it was more like he was responding to the "egging" than anything else. If he'd done it for money I would've been more convinced. But I guess in real life things aren't always pat and tidy, and you don't need much of a motive for manslaughter--just a weapon and an untimely burst of temper.

The episode did have some really strong, good points, though, and I'd feel bad if I didn't point them out (though all of you have--I'm just putting in my belated 2 cents :lol: ).

1. They showed the situation of factories shutting down real well. The desperation of those who had lost their jobs, who were being evicted--who would do nearly anything to earn money while trying with teeth and nails to stay true to their principles--and ended by giving them up for a couple of bucks anyway, to pay for their kids' shots or one decent meal. My heart went out to them.

2. I really liked the scene between Mark Phillips and Lilly. It gave me the feeling of a sort of one-on-one that I hadn't expected. The guy was cocky and pushy, true enough--but no cockier and pushier than Lilly and Scotty are when trying to break a suspect. This time Lilly was the suspect--it was like seeing her from another perspective. And you could see she hated it! She responded to it real smart, though--completely in-character: "you-poke-me-I-poke-you-back" kinda thing. But 'tis true--there was NO romantic chemistry between them. None at all.

3. James Hogan. He came out creepier than I thought he would from your posts. I can totally understand Lilly being a little freaked and awkward about the situation. As we all know, she has boundaries, and this guy, getting all personal when she had no intention of getting personal with anyone--least of all him--must've been unnerving. I've sometimes had patients who have imagined themselves more than professionally connected to me, and while it's always flattering, it's a little scary, too. Because you are NOT friends, and it's uncomfortable and weird that the other person doesn't implicitly understand that. It's never nice telling someone you're not as close to them as they think they are to you. I think Lilly must've felt really conscience-stricken after she told him so, over the phone (though she did it very tactfully), which is why she sat down and wrote him afterwards. Don't think it's the best sort of friendship to cultivate though.

4. Lilly's little talk with Christina was very appropriate. You could see she cared enough not to rat on her, but she wasn't about to tell her what to do, either. It was like she was telling her, once and for all, to get up off that lazy butt of hers and take some responsibility.

5. Scotty's talk with Monty at the end of the episode was brilliant. He was completely emotional and yet completely in control. You could see Lilly was completely shaken--she probably thought he was gonna lose it. But he didn't. And he was VERY effective. Big thumbs up!

[TVFan]

Great points disasterfreak! I especially liked this observation:

I really liked the scene between Mark Phillips and Lilly. It gave me the feeling of a sort of one-on-one that I hadn't expected. The guy was cocky and pushy, true enough--but no cockier and pushier than Lilly and Scotty are when trying to break a suspect. This time Lilly was the suspect--it was like seeing her from another perspective.

I never thought about that scene in that way, and it makes perfect sense. Lilly is so used to being the interrogater as opposed to the interrogatee that she was completely caught off guard. LOVED how she didn't tell him she was a cop until he noticed the gun. Funny stuff!

[Ryebeach]

tvfan said:

Great points disasterfreak! I especially liked this observation:

I really liked the scene between Mark Phillips and Lilly. It gave me the feeling of a sort of one-on-one that I hadn't expected. The guy was cocky and pushy, true enough--but no cockier and pushier than Lilly and Scotty are when trying to break a suspect. This time Lilly was the suspect--it was like seeing her from another perspective.

I never thought about that scene in that way, and it makes perfect sense. Lilly is so used to being the interrogater as opposed to the interrogatee that she was completely caught off guard. LOVED how she didn't tell him she was a cop until he noticed the gun. Funny stuff!

Yes, that is a great observation Disasterfreak. I think when I was first watching the episode, I was paying more attention to whether or not they had any chemistry and missed this first time experience to see Lilly as the interrrogatee. She wasn't sure quite how to handle it. She's so used to be the one on the other end of the table, so to speak, inquiring about situations.

[Rita]

I just saw this episode last night.I thought it was a
good episode.I thought it was a senseless killing, i was kinda shocked to find out the reason why Joe was
killed..it was sad. It was good to see James again, i agree about her being cold to him and about being
embarrassed as well, i think i would be but i'm glad
she decided to write back to him...And as for christina
well can't wait till she goes, it was interesting that the
detective knew that the cat a female, i liked the scene
between Lily and the detective.Well, counting down the episodes till the finale....

[samanda]

Re-Air Date: 4/2/06 (SUNDAY)
Time Slot: 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EST on CBS

This will air after the new episode of the night.

[TVFan]

I really hope CBS doesn't change its mind on this one because it's one of two episodes that I'm missing. I'm so psyched that they're airing it again finally!!! Thanks for the heads up a2z!

[samanda]

Your welcome, TVFan!

[boxman]

Just a quick post: I thought this was a fantastic episode. I'm glad I recorded it, I'm going to watch it again later in the week. I found it very ironic again that "60 Minutes" ran a piece earlier in the evening that set me up perfectly to enjoy this episode. The "60 Minutes" segment covered the troubles at General Motors, partly because of high union wages and benefits. The reporter interviewed a few UAW workers who had come to grips that they can't compete money-wise with non-unionized workers in the South and low-wage labor in Mexico. This was also true in the 70s and 80s with Philly's textile and mill workers as portrayed in "Kensington". Although the episode is fictional, I thought it dramatized an entire factory and neighborhood of people losing their jobs very well. The Melloncamp music also gave it the perfect blue-collar feel to it too. I give credit to the show for showing the abandoned buildings and homes in the closing montage. It's the other side of Philly most outsiders don't seem to realize is there, but which makes up a sizeable part of the city. In my opinion, this episode did a good job of showing one way of how sections of this city got to be run-down like that, and how at one time there were decent people living and working in those neighborhoods.

[TVFan]

I was interested in reading your take on this one boxman since it so Philly-centric. As usual, it's good to hear that they kept it accurate.

I remember when I was younger and living in the North,and my friends and their families would move to Atlanta because that's where their corporations were headed. Now twenty years later, I live in Atlanta (completely un-job related), and it's interesting to see why. Atlanta is not a union town, cost of living is so much lower (you can get a 4-sided brick 3000 sq foot home in a nice area for high $200ks low $300ks), the job market continues to boom despite what goes on elsewhere in the country and people spend, spend, spend no matter the economic forecast. The South is an anomaly in this way and I can see why corporations would be more attracted to it. Then, you add in the warm weather and you see how the whole 80s southern movement happened. It doesn't make it right, it just explains it. Episodes like this one put faces to these stories that we've all heard before. Boxman brought up the GM story on 60 Minutes, and that one has directly affected Atlanta. Both GM and Ford have plants here, and both of them are closing because of the hard financial times befallen the American automakers recently. Interestingly enough, KIA is more than likely moving into one of the soon-to-be vacant auto plants here. So, it seems that even the South isn't immune to circumstances like those seen in this ep.