Episode 2.18: Ravaged

[Naj]

Airs Sunday, March 27 at 8 pm.


THE CASE OF A WOMAN BELIEVED TO HAVE FROZEN TO DEATH OUTSIDE A BAR IN 1995 IS RE-EXAMINED WHEN HER SISTER CLAIMS FOUL PLAY.


~Naj

Guest Cast List:

Frannie: Susan Chuang
Sloane: Meredith Salenger
Megan: the one who's name we shall not say Aldrich
John Powell (2005): Googy Gress
Garrett (1995, 2005): Steve Sandvoss
Rick (1995): Michael B. Silver
Seth: Colby French
Rose: Clare Carey
Evan (1995): Ryan Carlberg
Evan (2005): David Monahan
Julia Owens: Wendy Davis
Haley: Aspen Payge
Ryan: Aidan Hart
Frank: Robert Adamson

[Naj]

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Definitley one of the better cases this episode and very well written and acted for the character Vera. I do like him a lot! Glad we got some background on him finally.


This story was tragic. Sloane was a total mess and things didn't seem to work for her. I guess her battle with alcoholism took her down such a dark tragic road. I can't believe she left her kids in the restaurant! What happened after the bar closed with Powell then Garrett and then Rick was just awful. I never guessed who did it as there were too many in the mix.

Poor Vera married the wrong gal but at least he has a moral code. Yeah! I wonder if Megan will turn up again!

We got to see Lilly with her hair down acting like she was a recovering alcoholic. That was very interesting and a nice change. Wasn't quite sure what was going to happen there. And Scotty looks like he's going to re look at the Elissa evidence.

I have to say that the closing song/video was one of the best I've seen in a long time. Plus I just love that song by Bruce.


I really dislike it when the show airs over a full hour after it's suppose to. It's late so that's all I have here from the east coast.


~Naj

[Ryebeach]

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I have to say all week, I've been thinking the backstory with Vera could go either way so I was a bit nervous to see this episode. My fears were put to rest as I loved learning a little of Vera's backstory. It was handled brilliantly, I thought, bringing an old love of his to the squad room with a case. I thought the scenes with she and Vera were very well acted and written. I also thought Vera handled himself perfectly in the scene where the sister asks Vera to lunch and Vera says he cannot have lunch with her. It was totally the right thing for Vera to say and I was impressed with the character in this whole episode.

The case was a sad one. I felt so bad for those poor kids. Sloane sure had one rough night with all those terrible things happening to her with the kids, losing her job, almost being attacked, drinking again, having to do that terrible thing to get her job back, getting attacked again, getting hit and being left for dead essentially. It was very sad to watch that all play out.

I thought Rick was the killer from the scene outside the bar with Lilly. Something was off about him and I thought this has got to be the killer.

I liked how the episode title came from the dog, Ravage. I also liked how it was Ravage who attacked Garrett at the end and in the closing scenes when Garrett was walking and saw that pretty girl and was heading up to her, that dog barked at him. That was funny and served him right.

I was glad to find the bar owner still had Ravage and we got to see him at the end. That was kind of bittersweet.

I see the writers are bringing back the Elissa storyline. I guess Scotty doesn't believe her death was a suicide and is now going to review her case. That should be interesting, especially if it turns out her death wasn't a suicide. Either way, it's good to see him beginning to deal with her death and not keep it all bottled up inside, even if this isn't the best way to go about it. He really should be meeting with a grief counselor.

All and all a very good episode. Nice ending song, excellent backstory with Vera. I also like learning a bit more about his wife. We know her name is Julie and the reason they are going through a rough patch is because they haven't been able to have a baby.

[r2k]

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All in all this episode was good. A few problems. Frat guys in 1995 did not wear those shirts. I was in college then and I do not recall those shirts being worn much on campus. Also, the music, while recognizable, was misused. First off, too many songs were final song material and should have been saved if they ever decide to use 1995 as a year again. And three songs from Hootie and the Blowfish. I kept thinking of Bacon Cheddar Whoppers. If you don't get that, the lead singer of Hootie is now in those Burger King commercials singing. All in all, the episode was good. I liked how the frat guy was there in the beginning and when they brought him back in what is usually the calling card of GUILTY, he turned out to be innocent. I like how Scotty and Lily are working together again a bit. And he's looking into her death a bit. The Vera backstory was an interesting change and to have Frannie back. Funny how she was in Maternal Instincts and they aired that last night. The final song was a surprise. I thought it was hard to get Bruce Springsteen. I guess they had a pressure him again.

[CC Fan]

eh it was ok... i felt misleaded by the promos, the whole Lilly/Guy-in-bar seemed like it would be this much bigger deal... and i thought it was a little predictable. i figured that if they were gonna spend time writing scenes for the sponsor, he was gonna be significant, and then when i saw that the episode was ending i was like, it has to be the sponsor, why would they have put that scene in?

i liked lillys hair down and i liked the vera thing. i dunno, it was ok.

[gaudior]

This was a great episode. Granted, this show nearly always makes me cry, but add a the pup in there, and I was bawling (sorry if that's a spoiler).

I was a bit disappointed to only get a glimpse of the kids as teenagers; that's a bit unusual for this show.

And I liked the Nick storyline; he's a good guy.

[Ryebeach]

Gaudior said:

This was a great episode. Granted, this show nearly always makes me cry, but add a the pup in there, and I was bawling (sorry if that's a spoiler).

I was a bit disappointed to only get a glimpse of the kids as teenagers; that's a bit unusual for this show.

And I liked the Nick storyline; he's a good guy.

Welcome to the board Gaudior. Have fun posting. ;D

[irishkale]

Thanks to the writers for the great Vera storyline. He's sort of been a brooding punching bag all season; it's great that they give Ratchford an episode to really shine.
Also as a point of trivia they mentioned Vera's Wife's name ("Julie").

I liked how the flashbacks took place "sequentially"-- with each successive interview, the flashbacks would reveal a little more of Sloane's final day at the bar, and they were contained within that time period. It almost felt like you were watching it "in real time."

Neat that they also worked in a cop that we hadn't seen before--the woman who was working undercover in the bar.

Also there were alot of little character-revealing bits in this episode. I love it when they'll stick something in that seems like a throw-away line, but it gives a little more depth to the characters. Like when Stillman asks if Vera wants to interview Megan, he looks at himself and says "kinda gone to the dogs here." And when The one frat guy calls Scotty "Amigo", Scotty shuffles his feet like he's gonna jump on the guy. And Lilly's faceful expressions when she meets Rick for the first time--all those AA references making her nervous, maybe hitting too close to home.

The character of the bar owner was really colorful and interesting. That actor Googy Gress has been in a few Farrelly Brothers pictures, he's a character actor that really sticks with you once you've seen him (and he's got a "cool name.")


Probably my only beef, and I guess this is a big one, is that the Rick character spilled his guts about killing Sloane. There's NO WAY that guy's gonna confess to killing her, especially when Lilly basically had no hard evidence to convict the guy. She said something about "having phone records," but he could have just said "I never showed up to pick her up." Sometimes a killer will confess on the show, but it's usually sort of a "weak minded" person; this Rick guy was way too slick for that. He would have walked out immediately, lawyered up, and got off scot-free. Also trying to work his scam on a homicide cop who was investigating the very murder he committed? No way.

I'm kinda sad that they took him down, because in that first scene, I thought there were some sparks between him and Lilly. Without the moustache that actor has sort of a leading-man charisma about him. I was thinking, "OK, here's the 2nd season love interest." Guess I was wrong....


And I do feel mislead a little bit by the preview trailer... that scene with Lilly in the bar didn't quite have the tone that I was hoping for. I think I'll cap it anyways and pretend she got all dolled up for Kite.


But all in all I have to say that I was really riveted to the TV by the episode, probably not in a way since I first saw "Mindhunters."

[irishkale]

Also one more gripe, deserving of it's own post:

"TOO MUCH HOOTIE."


It was true in 1995 and it's still true now.

[irishkale]

OK, one more thing... I was doing some Lilly caps, watching the final montage, and I ran through those shots of Scotty pulling out a box from the shelf. Watching the episode I thought "Elisa", but I looked closely and the name on the box has nothing to do with her!

I wonder if they just didn't count on anyone taking a closer look, and it's really s'posed to be her box?

I cropped some shots from the sequence here:

www.kaleirish.com/KM/scotty_ravaged_01.jpg
www.kaleirish.com/KM/scotty_ravaged_02.jpg

The name on the box and the file inside is "Lohan, M." and the date of the case is Aug. 84.

[Ryebeach]

irishkale said:

And I do feel mislead a little bit by the preview trailer... that scene with Lilly in the bar didn't quite have the tone that I was hoping for. I think I'll cap it anyways and pretend she got all dolled up for Kite.

:lol:

[Ryebeach]

irishkale said:

OK, one more thing... I was doing some Lilly caps, watching the final montage, and I ran through those shots of Scotty pulling out a box from the shelf. Watching the episode I thought "Elisa", but I looked closely and the name on the box has nothing to do with her!

I wonder if they just didn't count on anyone taking a closer look, and it's really s'posed to be her box?

I cropped some shots from the sequence here:

www.kaleirish.com/KM/scotty_ravaged_01.jpg
www.kaleirish.com/KM/scotty_ravaged_02.jpg

The name on the box and the file inside is "Lohan, M." and the date of the case is Aug. 84.

Great catch irishkale :thumb: It will be interesting to see where they go with this as I thought for sure he was pulling Elissa's box. Maybe the producers thought we wouldn't notice or we all assumed the wrong thing. :confused:

[Naj]

Interesting irishkale. They didn't think you would catch it? Also I felt the file was rather slim. Poor Elissa.

Poor Vera. He married the wrong woman. I just loved the opening scene of him hiding from Megan in the police department. Then admitting when he saw her that he needed to lose weight. I just love his character - have since the very beginning of the show when he and Lilly teamed up. I forget which ep that was, though, but it was early on. Those two work well together!

The scene of Lilly in the promo I did feel was her undercover. However I didn't think it was all that surprising how it worked out even with her line of questioning. But still it was something different added into the mix. They have to figure out ways to let us see her with her hair down! ;D

Here's a line from the ep I thought was funny:

Scotty to Garrett: " Buy some weed, bag the scag, call it a night."

Lilly had a line but I forgot who she said it to: "People have to save themselves."

[gaudior]

Thanks for the welcome, Ryebeach. ;D

Good catch on Scotty not going to Elissa's box; maybe we weren't supposed to notice that. Or maybe it was a related case. Since schizophrenia has a genetic component, maybe one of Elissa's relatives died in '84, it was attributed to suicide, and Scott's now looking for a connection. (I didn't watch it the first year, so I don't know if anything along those lines was mentioned.)

Yes, I loved Nicky hiding from Megan. And Stillman's line about Nicky having all his hair. And I definitely loved Nicky standing up straight and holding his stomach in the first time he met Megan (in the present). Hee.

I agree, the promos were misleading. But most shows seem to do that; it's very annoying.

I just noticed in TV Guide that it's on at 7pm next Sunday, at least in Oregon.

[TVFan]

Kind of late to the party here (as I just watched the episode last night), but I really liked this one. I thought every element was strong, particularly the Vera storyline.

Speaking of the Vera story, did anyone else catch the line he said to Megan that they would have a child who was 19? It sounded like Megan was pregnant at one time, but either lost the child, aborted it, or gave it up for adoption. I wonder if this event is what caused the end of their relationship. It must be especially hard for Vera that he and his wife are unable to conceive, knowing that he could have had a child with Megan. I thought that one line set up an interesting dynamic between his past and his present. I'm glad the writers decided to fill us in on his relationship with his wife b/c I thought he was a jerk until we saw this episode.

The case was very involving and emotional. Sloane had such a terrible time beating her demons. Even in the end, she was still after that extra drink. She lost her husband, her kids, her job (although she got it back in a terrible way), and everything that she had been. It was so sad to watch her fall deeper and deeper throughout the night of her murder. I also found it quite tragic that she was out looking for Ravage so she could prove to herself and others that she could be responsible for her children. The one person she could trust ended up betraying her.

I knew Rick was going to be the killer because of the preview. It said something about Lilly going undercover to catch the killer. After we met Rick, I knew it was him because he was hitting on her big time. I just couldn't figure out how it was all going to play out and why Rick would kill Sloane, so it didn't ruin the episode for me. Regardless, I wish CBS wouldn't run previews that basically encrypt the killer in them.

The scene where Lilly met Rick in the bar was very good. I wasn't expecting much because I never believe CBS's hyped previews, so I wasn't disappointed. Lilly looked so pretty and classy. I loved how she flipped the switch from poor recovering alcoholic to kick-butt cop. She caught Rick off guard. Rick should have known better than to underestimate Lilly Rush.

Overall, an very good episode and extremely gripping!

[gaudior]

Speaking of the Vera story, did anyone else catch the line he said to Megan that they would have a child who was 19?

Yes, I caught that, too, TVFan, and I've been thinking about it since I watched the episode, though not, as you mentioned, in relation to Nicky and his wife's inability to concieve. Made me realize, though, that this was a serious relationship.

I suspected Rick was the killer, too, from the way he was hitting on Lilly from the moment they met. Granted, he was cute (without the mustache, I agree), but he bugged me. For one, he came on too strong, even for an AA sponsor. Heck, when he said he'd become Sloane's sponsor after she'd come to one meeting, I was suspicious. For one, you're supposed to choose your sponsor (though offers are usually useful!). And while saving Ravage may not have saved Sloane's marriage (or even he life), he was clearly important to her, and based on that, Rick should have helped her find him.

And he had the mindset that everyone's an alcoholic. We know Lilly's had experience with alchohol; she talked about putting her drunk mother to bed a few episodes ago.

I was also glad that Sloane was not alone when she died, that Ravage was with her. I kept telling him what a good boy he was (which made my male dog quite interested!), and then I hugged my pups!

[lukecordoba]

I LOVED the bar scene where Lilly pretended to be an alcoholic. She looked so amazing!!!! Her hair was down, and she was dressed so sexy! And her vulnerability was so convincing. They definitely should have more scenes with her hair down. Kathryn Morris is definitely the most beautiful actress on TV today. Maybe ever!

Irishlake, I understand what you said about Rick being too smart to confess like that, and if it were anyone other than Lilly I would agree with you. But, did you see how hot she looked?? How could any man resist her ??

But, I did have the same thought initially about Rick possibly being Lilly's new love interest. The way she smiled at him was so sweet! I don't think I've seen her smile that way since Kite.

[Disasterfreak]

This ep sounds very interesting. Can't wait to see it. It's kinda funny how different people have such different opinions though. In the other board I poked into, everyone was very disappointed cuz they'd been so misled by the preview (which, btw, I also find incredibly misleading). Still, it seems to me the case and the Vera angle made it all worthwhile ;D.

[ruda]

Scotty pics are very good. realy great. have you some more pics from this episode?
hehe... I always write this question.... I know....

I love Cold Case
This is the better series than The X Files

[Naj]

Disasterfreak said:

This ep sounds very interesting. Can't wait to see it. It's kinda funny how different people have such different opinions though. In the other board I poked into, everyone was very disappointed cuz they'd been so misled by the preview (which, btw, I also find incredibly misleading). Still, it seems to me the case and the Vera angle made it all worthwhile ;D.

I would have been disappointed had I thought the preview was about Lilly meeting a new interest but I took it as using Lilly to catch a killer. One of the few times I haven't let the interest in the characters personal lives overshadow the case. ;D Lucky for me as I tend to fall in their personal lives aspect of the show.

Scotty pics are very good. realy great. have you some more pics from this episode?
hehe... I always write this question.... I know....

Maybe irishkale will put some more up in the Fan Art forum....


~Naj