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Post by LillyKat on Jul 25, 2006 14:31:30 GMT -5
Got to catch this ep this past Sunday. I actually thought it was pretty good. It wasn't overly spectacular, but I thought it was solid - particularly because I thought we got to see flashes of old, spunky Lilly at points throughout this ep.  For me, I enjoyed the Debutante storyline. Emma's yearning to be a modern woman resonated a bit with me because my mom's side of the family (including my mom) were all Debutantes back in the day. Yet, when it came time for me to carry the torch (so to speak), I fought against it and said no. This was considered pretty sacrilegious (at least by my grandmother's standard, and I remember my mom saying to me, "How am I going to explain this to MY mom?"), but my mom DID allow me to be my own woman, and she did not force me to carry on the tradition - even though it put her on the outs with my grandmother (her mom) for a bit of time. I will always be grateful to my mom for allowing me to be me. Thus, I could really empathize with Emma wanting to be something more than society - at the time - would allow her. This ep had me further appreciate growing up in time when society WOULD allow me - as a woman - to break from tradition. I did notice something odd ... er, it seemed odd ... last week, in TNT's repeat of Season 1's "Glued," Lilly makes the joke to Stillman that "the Sixers traded Iverson" when trying to get his attention as he was nostalgic about his unsolved case. Now, I thought she said that line pretty convincingly - as in, she knows the team, the player and the sport. But in this ep, she doesn't know the difference between basketball and hockey? (Vera: "Who's comin' to the Sixers game tonight?"/ Lil: "Nah, I'm not into hockey.") Huh? Was that a goof on consistency ...? Also, the whole spy-on-Miller scene at the end was priceless. Too funny. Vera kind of got what he deserved after spending so much time "assuming."  Along the lines of Miller, I actually enjoyed seeing she and Lilly work together a bit on this case. All in all, I liked the ep. |
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Post by boxman on Jul 25, 2006 16:19:08 GMT -5
I did notice something odd ... er, it seemed odd ... last week, in TNT's repeat of Season 1's "Glued," Lilly makes the joke to Stillman that "the Sixers traded Iverson" when trying to get his attention as he was nostalgic about his unsolved case. Now, I thought she said that line pretty convincingly - as in, she knows the team, the player and the sport. But in this ep, she doesn't know the difference between basketball and hockey? (Vera: "Who's comin' to the Sixers game tonight?"/ Lil: "Nah, I'm not into hockey.") Huh? Was that a goof on consistency ...? This was I think the second or third Cold Case episode I've watched, and the first time I viewed it, I had to wonder if Lilly was just being a "dumb blonde"?? It was odd she didn't know which sport the Sixers play. But like you say about Lilly's comment about Iverson in "Glued", it's now obvious that she *does* know better. I think her comment in "Debut" goes along with Lilly's style of humor you see throughout the series. It kind of slides in "underhandedly", and leaves you guessing if she's being funny or sarcastic. She does this a lot with Scotty regarding him dating Christina, as in the episodes "Dog Day Afternoons" and "Best Friends". I think the way she flirts with suspects also goes in this "underhanded" manner too, like in "The Hitchhiker". If you keep this in mind and look at the whole three seasons so far, I wonder if this is a way the writers are trying to suggest that there is another side to Lilly's spunky, hard-charging, career-oriented personality?? That there is a playful, humorous side to her that is being hidden (or perhaps repressed) because of the serious nature of homicide work and the tragic things that have gone on in her life (such as her sister and fiance screwing her, and the terrible relationship with her mom)?? So when you add Joseph into the picture, I wonder if a Lilly & Joseph relationship will bring about a change in this part of her personality?? |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jul 25, 2006 16:39:18 GMT -5
I don't personally think that Lilly is a dumb blonde, she just doesn't get out much.
I do agree with you boxman, Love can change ones personality. Maybe we'll just have wait and see if that indeed happens ,with Lilly you never know.
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Post by LillyKat on Jul 25, 2006 18:49:02 GMT -5
This was I think the second or third Cold Case episode I've watched, and the first time I viewed it, I had to wonder if Lilly was just being a "dumb blond"?? It was odd she didn't know which sport the Sixers play. But like you say about Lilly's comment about Iverson in "Glued", it's now obvious that she *does* know better. I think her comment in "Debut" goes along with Lilly's style of humor you see throughout the series. It kind of slides in "underhandedly", and leaves you guessing if she's being funny or sarcastic. She does this a lot with Scotty regarding him dating Christina, as in the episodes "Dog Day Afternoons" and "Best Friends". I think the way she flirts with suspects also goes in this "underhanded" manner too, like in "The Hitchhiker". If you keep this in mind and look at the whole three seasons so far, I wonder if this is a way the writers are trying to suggest that there is another side to Lilly's spunky, hard-charging, career-oriented personality?? That there is a playful, humorous side to her that is being hidden (or perhaps repressed) because of the serious nature of homicide work and the tragic things that have gone on in her life (such as her sister and fiance screwing her, and the terrible relationship with her mom)?? So when you add Joseph into the picture, I wonder if a Lilly & Joseph relationship will bring about a change in this part of her personality?? I don't believe I agree with the "dumb blond" idea, boxman. I personally think Lilly is way too smart, clever, cunning (pick the adjective) to ever be categorized as such. The fact that she "plays" and/or "acts" dumb (or even flirty) whilst working an aspect of a case is really only to get a confession, etc. As such, it's simply (to me) clever police work. All cops can tend to act a part - whatever that part may be - when trying to get the bad guy. The more clever the cop, the more convincing the act, I think. But that is just me. I know you may perhaps take issue with this kind of tact as you have questioned how Lilly uses her femme fatale-ness when working against suspects, etc. I kind of just think of it as part of her shtick, but you always see MUCH deeper into the whole rig-a-ma-role. I do agree that there is a humorous, almost playful side to Lilly - one that isn't as obvious in later episodes as it is in earlier eps. But again, she went through heck and back in Season 2, so ... that has changed her (and rightfully so). But, I hope for a return to some spunk / humor with Season 4. And perhaps Joseph will aide in getting Lilly back to the good parts of her old self. I really just thought the "Nah, I'm into hockey" line was either a) almost as if she wasn't even listening to Vera; just kind of saying something without even realizing she said it (which I could buy because I sometimes do that ... realize someone said something to me that I SHOULD have heard differently than I did); or, b) a complete goof by the writer. LOL! |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jul 25, 2006 18:55:27 GMT -5
LillyKat- well said but wait, If joseph aids lilly on returning to her old self would she be different? Lilly's learned a lot of lessons btwn S2 and S3 , maybe she might loosen up too much. Her personality has changed after the thing with george , she sees herself differently then before. Lilly might not be into sports and may have no clue what vera was talking about, who's knows.
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Post by LillyKat on Jul 26, 2006 12:30:04 GMT -5
If joseph aids lilly on returning to her old self would she be different? ... what I mean when I say Joseph may aid in getting Lilly to return to the good parts of her old self is that sometimes, when we go through tough times and/or experiences, we can sometimes tend to suppress parts of our personality in the process of discovering what lesson(s) we should be learning and/or how we should be growing/changing as a result of the experience. We can tend to enter into this funk or haze where we are not quite what we usually are. And, sometimes, we have to snap ourselves out of it - either on our own, or with the help of someone (or more than someone). I'm not necessarily saying Lilly is in a funk or a haze, but I do think she's more subdued as a result of perhaps all that she has been through in the recent couple of years. But the spunky part of her personality is still there, as is her humor ... it's those bits of her "old" self that I would like to see her get back to. She can still be changed by all that has happened - and arguably for the better. But, she doesn't have to abandon what makes her her - her core characteristics. She can carry them forward. But that's just my humble opinion. |
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Post by boxman on Jul 26, 2006 19:15:01 GMT -5
I don't believe I agree with the "dumb blond" idea, boxman. I personally think Lilly is way too smart, clever, cunning (pick the adjective) to ever be categorized as such.... Oh, it wasn't that I thought Lilly *was* a "dumb blonde". Like you mention, for Lilly to not know the Sixers is a basketball team is so out-of-place, that I had to consider the "dumb blonde" type as one of several possibilities about her character when first viewing the scene. I think this was the third episode of Cold Case I ever watched, with only "8 Years" and "Detention" before this. Of course, as you know Lilly has gotten less air-time in Season Three. So even after three episodes, I didn't know her history and just simply wasn't familiar with her brand of humor yet. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jul 26, 2006 19:19:12 GMT -5
It's alright Boxman , I do agree with you that Lilly has gotton less air time but none the less
this episode had a lot of good points and bad points to it. I loved the look on Kat's face when she came up to Vera's car . The storyline was well put together of course KM was great !!
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Post by TVFan on Aug 8, 2006 17:34:31 GMT -5
It's funny that you guys noticed this as well. I caught this Glued rerun as well and thought the same thing about Lil's Sixers knowledge. I'm thinking it was just a goof in consistency. Most of the S1 writers have moved on. Glued's writer, Tyler Bensinger, just took a job working with Crash's Paul Haggis on his new show that is slated for midseason.
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Post by marcovalenslassing on Apr 10, 2007 11:03:57 GMT -5
To me it was a perfect episode...
until the end, which struck me as totally stupid.
I have felt cheated by it, as it was ridiculous.
More on that later...
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Mar 5, 2008 18:34:56 GMT -5
Idk if this was answered already, but I"m too lazy to read through all the pages right now.
Question: Why is Travis's secret of being a Jew a bad thing in American in 1968???
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Post by Khaya on Mar 6, 2008 9:39:02 GMT -5
Don't know. I wondered about the same thing! Maybe just.. you know, Jews (how the heck do you write that?  ) have always been the center of humilination and hate. And I don't know what's wrong with them! I know some Jews people and they're very nice!! This episode was great. I loved the dresses and all the beautiful ladies (and men  ) <--Don't mention that.. It's been a while since I've seen it, a month or something. I taped it and I watched it over and over again. My Mum became so angry and she was like, you're obsessed! So she deletet it  |
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Post by eurache on May 10, 2008 7:50:36 GMT -5
TNT - RE=AIRING ON 5/14/2008 (5AM)
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Post by eurache on Jul 19, 2008 8:51:40 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JULY 23, 2008 - 3:00AM ET
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Post by eurache on Sept 14, 2008 7:42:04 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - 9/17/08 - 3AM ET
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Post by ninja1088 on Oct 4, 2009 9:28:43 GMT -5
It may sound cold but I couldn't feel for Emma's death at the end. They tried to make her another one of those "ahead of her time" girls.. and failed miserably. There was no empathy or attempt to understand at all why Travis was doing what he was in hiding his Jewish heritage.
Not everyone can deal with the shunning, the taunting and everything else as easily or as early as she did. It is EXTREMELY painful to go through that (I went through it in middle school and early high school).
Emma made no real attempts to understand how bad the anti-semtism was back then for Jews, no attempts to try and tell him living a lie is a lousy way to live. Instead she lectures him, tells Travis she doesn't want to be like him and comes off just as snobbish as the rest of the girls in the episode that she was "better" than.
Obviously doesn't excuse what happened to her but in trying to make her another ahead of her time girl who knows what she could have done episodes, the writers failed miserably. IMO Emma was just as snobbish as the other girls, a different kind of snobbish but still a snob.
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Post by stillmanfan on Jun 12, 2010 10:59:56 GMT -5
Good episode.
I don't know if you guys noticed it but Kat set a trap for Vera cause she knew he was 'dying to know'. Why would she ask them about Grant Hall or somewhere that she is going Wednesday night? She probably expected Nick to show up cause he's such a nosy dude.
I loved the ending montage as Kat walks up to the car and Vera looked goofy.
About Travis' second wife's death, wouldn't the ME have found that she died of a seizure in the first place? Or Travis tell the police she has seizures? That part did seem a bit weak to me.
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Along the lines of Miller, I actually enjoyed seeing she and Lilly work together a bit on this case.
) have always been the center of humilination and hate. 
