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Post by eduardodelroice on Oct 29, 2008 3:16:54 GMT -5
I rewatched the ep and yeah, Lenny was alive but the old Lenny's credits dont appear anywhere
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Post by zoé on Oct 29, 2008 5:51:50 GMT -5
That is what Lilly said. Were they really certain exactly when Tully died? They knew he went missing around that time and had only just been found, dead. So the version of events Lilly put to Nora was plausible. Putting forward the idea that he returned to Nora and then left her because she was pregnant forced Nora to defend Tully and tell the truth. Thanks for explaining! I rewatched the ep and yeah, Lenny was alive but the old Lenny's credits dont appear anywhere I would say Kenneth White? He's in the credits but weirdly nowhere in the press release... |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Oct 29, 2008 9:07:27 GMT -5
Thanks Zoe... that was a terrible mistake that they did not include the actor for LennySnow 2008... terrible
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Post by pealee on Oct 30, 2008 18:11:40 GMT -5
I thought this was an excellent ep.
Great writing, acting, everything. I really enjoyed it.
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Post by Electrophile on Oct 31, 2008 21:45:33 GMT -5
This case appears to be loosely based on the story of Ens. Andrew Muns. He was killed on board his ship, the USS Cacapon in 1968, after discovering one of his fellow sailors was stealing from the ship's safe. Like our fictional Pfc. Tully, he was labeled a deserter and his family was denied a flag for his memorial service when they had him declared legally dead.
It wasn't until after the NCIS got involved over 30 years later did the truth come out, and since his body was never recovered, he was given a ceremonial casket and a burial with full military honors at Arlington National Cemetery. His sister was his only surviving relative and received the flag from his coffin, much like in this story, Tully's brother received the flag from his.
I saw the story of Andrew Muns on Cold Case Files a couple days ago and it jumped out at me at being potentially the inspiration for this episode.
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Post by boxman on Nov 1, 2008 17:15:08 GMT -5
...But love at first sight can happen so, as I say, I had no problems with it. And plenty of girls had one night encounters with soldiers and sailors at that time and ended up pregnant and not all of them were lovely womans. Very interesting.... And on a serious note, I wonder if these young women ended up going to places such as shown in 4.16 "The Goodbye Room"?? |
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Post by Electrophile on Nov 1, 2008 18:25:34 GMT -5
...But love at first sight can happen so, as I say, I had no problems with it. And plenty of girls had one night encounters with soldiers and sailors at that time and ended up pregnant and not all of them were lovely womans. Very interesting.... And on a serious note, I wonder if these young women ended up going to places such as shown in 4.16 "The Goodbye Room"?? I would imagine they did. Unwed mothers at that time were not as accepted as they are now, and by accepted I mean, there's no real social stigma attached to it anymore. We don't force pregnant 15 year olds into the equivalent of an institution and then kick them out 24 hours after delivery. In that respect I think, our society has evolved somewhat. If something like that was not possible for the girl, either because she lived too far from a place like that or it was not affordable, they probably did what many young women in my mother's time did (mid to late 60s). They'd put on non-descript gold bands and say their husbands were in Vietnam. That way it didn't look bad for a young pregnant woman to be alone or living with family. My mother was looking through her senior HS yearbook recently and pointed out some girls who had to say that after graduation. "Oh, my husband was drafted and sent to ______ ." It's hard to believe that such a backwards time existed a scant 40 years ago. |
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Post by myril on Nov 2, 2008 4:36:55 GMT -5
Think it's even today still a little difference, if a teenage girl gets pregnant or a young working women. As I think the social stigma isn't totally lost, depends much on where you are living and friends and family. Spontan I have to think of a quite prominent case of a daughter of some politician *coughs* Things have improved, thankfully, somewhat. And one short night can be enough to get pregnant. You don't even need the big love, the-knight-of-your-life story for that. Of course, it had something of a fairy-tale story here, something of a cliche (sailor, leaving for war, big love, a kid as result, a life time of wondering, where the guy went and the "happy" conlcusion, that he didn't drop her but was killed). Funny, that I as the outspoken non-romantic actually could accept it in this episode very well.  Probably that'sd because the emphasis was less on the romance than on the character of the victim, it was part of showing what an honorable guy he was (despite that having a night with a new girl when leaving for war might not be seen as such an honorable thing, but hey, the guys risk their lives for the country, so let's have them a bit of life before, right). Anyway, I like black-white movies, so just the style of the flashbacks intrigued me. The story was foreseeable but nicely done, the episode was good, enjoyable. Though guess it will stay in my mind mostly because of the beautiful version of "Taps" at the end. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 3, 2008 16:42:59 GMT -5
This case appears to be loosely based on the story of Ens. Andrew Muns. He was killed on board his ship, the USS Cacapon in 1968, after discovering one of his fellow sailors was stealing from the ship's safe. Like our fictional Pfc. Tully, he was labeled a deserter and his family was denied a flag for his memorial service when they had him declared legally dead. It wasn't until after the NCIS got involved over 30 years later did the truth come out, and since his body was never recovered, he was given a ceremonial casket and a burial with full military honors at Arlington National Cemetery. His sister was his only surviving relative and received the flag from his coffin, much like in this story, Tully's brother received the flag from his. I saw the story of Andrew Muns on Cold Case Files a couple days ago and it jumped out at me at being potentially the inspiration for this episode. I think this episode could have been inspired by the story of Richard Colvin Cox. I have the book of a man who investigated what happened to him en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Cox |
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Post by coldcasefan2009 on Jan 6, 2009 13:27:52 GMT -5
This is the episode that started my cold case addiction, and it's a great one to start one with.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 6, 2009 13:32:03 GMT -5
This is the episode that started my cold case addiction, and it's a great one to start one with. welcome coldcasefan2009... You started by watching an excellent episode... I recommend you to keep watching cold case... This episode was a little based on the real cold case of Richard Colvin Cox, a cadet who dissapeared in Jan 1950(This jan 14, he will be disappeared 59 years) |
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Post by coldcasefan2009 on Jan 6, 2009 13:41:31 GMT -5
oh don't worry, i watch this show more religiously than people do soap operas.  it's one of very few new shows on locals that are good. there's so much trash on any more, this show is great. it diverts from the typical crime show in not being too serious but also drifts from the constant forensics stuff as CSI shows. there's too many repeated shows along the same theme as CSI (although i do like NCIS, it has humor aspect that keeps me on) that it ruins it. like the show Power Rangers, it's overplayed themes. this show is different and in a wonderful way. BTW i was on Cold Case Withdrawal Syndrome a few weeks back, it angered me when CBS said 'Cold Case will return in two weeks...' and guess what they thought was better? football. i hate sports on TV. they need their own channel. at least now that i got a DTV box i get three cold case fixes a week + one on saturday. The eps are played out of order so i never quite understand the back-story of the detectives. |
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Post by toddsmitts on Jan 15, 2009 18:57:38 GMT -5
I'm trying to determine the name of the ship Tully served on. They mention it in the usualy exposition scene right after the opening credits. Unfortunately, there's a slight flicker in my copy of the episode right when Jeffries says the name so I can't completely make it out.
It sounds like "the USS Prano", but I'm not sure.
Edited to add: Mever mind. I got it. It was the USS Pronto.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 22, 2009 12:05:20 GMT -5
Very moving ending scene, with Stillman all decked out. I pretty much enjoyed this episode. Really felt as if I was there during 1951, well done by both the writers and director. Yes, This is still my favorite ending montage this season That captain at the end, looked almost familiar to the one featured in the episode" The plan" I could have swarn it was him. No, It's not the same actor I rewatched this episode and let me tell you: It was really excellent! It went to this season's favorite!!! Very good one!! The love issue wasn't a problem for me. Powerful episode!!! |
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Post by stillmanfan on Apr 15, 2010 16:12:07 GMT -5
I really liked this episode. Loved the part about Vera getting back at Scotty and Jefferies. I was laughing when he stapled Jeffries tie to the table.  Hopefully putting a staple in the tie does ruin it since he and Scotty did ruin Nick's tie. It was a great to see Stillman do the interrogation of Chaney, I liked how he had put him in his place. Interesting to see Vera take up boxing even for that one episode, probably... It as cool to see Stillman decked out a the end of the episode. |
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Probably that'sd because the emphasis was less on the romance than on the character of the victim, it was part of showing what an honorable guy he was (despite that having a night with a new girl when leaving for war might not be seen as such an honorable thing, but hey, the guys risk their lives for the country, so let's have them a bit of life before, right).
it's one of very few new shows on locals that are good. there's so much trash on any more, this show is great. it diverts from the typical crime show in not being too serious but also drifts from the constant forensics stuff as CSI shows. there's too many repeated shows along the same theme as CSI (although i do like NCIS, it has humor aspect that keeps me on) that it ruins it. like the show Power Rangers, it's overplayed themes. this show is different and in a wonderful way.
