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Post by eurache on Apr 9, 2007 18:32:40 GMT -5
testing....... btw I liked this episode.. I only recognized one song Al Jolson " You made me love you" ;D How I know b/c my mom and dad used to sing this song  testing again  for Naj..she havin problems *I'm having problems with this thread. I can't modify - it won't let me.*
I just wanted to add that I liked the underscore music. I have no idea of the songs of the day.only one I know is the one I posted of Al Jolson..yeah I'm old and know stuff.. and I remember Sophie Tucker too |
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Post by mikencelia on Apr 9, 2007 19:04:35 GMT -5
Finally, a case that's more than a few years old. I thought it was great. Love the costuming, the music, the special effects. Great Lily back story, too. The actresses were excellent and all very pretty.
What's your thought...does Lily's mother survive or not? Was Lily on her way to her mother's place?
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Post by oldgreygoose on Apr 9, 2007 19:07:41 GMT -5
I really didn't get a big charge out of this history lesson style episode.
Without live witnesses, how they were able to piece the case together was asking for a huge stretch of the imagination.
One scene where Scotty is examining the arrest book, looking at the names and they are able to piece together the probable dialog between father and daughter? Where was the court stenographer sitting, that they had such a detailed, blow by blow transcript of what transpired? This is how they figured out that the maid is the one that tipped off the police and the father???
This was just one of the unbelievable moments that made this episode just an OKAY episode for me.
This is not to detract from the story they were trying to tell about how tough it was to be a woman in those days...
There were comparatively few to no options open to women, Housewife/homemaker or Harlot??? That seemed to be two extremes, but there didn't seem to be any shades of gray in between... At least by my viewing, there was the position of maid and in this case, mother and punching bag.
And the recorded confession was just a little too contrived for my taste. But they did set it up nicely in the opening sequence when the daughter and mother were talking about that new technology.
Just an ordinary episode in my opinion, It did raise a lot of moral issues, but you are talking about a situation almost 90 years ago...
It's just my opinion, but it was too far fetched to be realistic (the case solving I mean) But of course this is just the opinion of one highly opinionated waterfowl.
"OGG"
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Post by myril on Apr 10, 2007 1:44:32 GMT -5
Goose, I'm having the same problem with this episode, finding it farfetched. Homocide squad as nothing else to do than wait for someone coming along to ask to solve an 88 years old case? Little chance to find new reliable evidence, quite possible the murderer already dead, few witnesses if any at all... Come on, that case is something for a journalist or student to research or for leisure time. Though, that has been a problem with other, often older cases before, dunno why it bugged me especially this time.
Nevertheless could enjoy the story when forgetting that I was watching a crime show, placed today. Of course I liked it, like strong women stories. And a nice way to represent a lesson in women history. The flashbacks were interesting, great idea to make them look a bit like old film reels, costume etc. looked fitting to the time period.
Of course, Goose, there had been shades of grey in that time too, it wasn't simple homemaker or harlot. But becoming homemaker, caring wife and mother was the ideal for most of upper and middle class (actually I don't think, that this really changed, just that having a career is kinda expected now too). But, yes. no matter if upper, middle or working class, women were expected to shut up and be invisible in public. Otherwise they were easily seen as outrageous and misbehaving, not seldom labeled as harlot.
Think, they could have made more of this episode. There was this interesting generation conflict as a kind of theme in this ep. Back then: Francis, wanting more from life than marriage and managing a household, in conflict with her practical thinking mother, who had adapted and given up any dream she might have had as young girl. And today Lilly and her mother: Lilly wanting more from life than hunting the next guy to depend on, while her mother can't seem to think of anything else, falling apart, when she has to rely on her own. Too bad that they only made some, "Lilly had to take care of her mom and is sick of doing so" story of it.
All in all an entertaining, good, but still just average episode.
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Post by TVFan on Apr 10, 2007 10:03:33 GMT -5
I loved this episode as well. For me, it was one of this season's bests. Everything worked from the gripping story to Lil's personal drama with her mother. I was completely sucked in the entire hour, and the only thing that took me out of it was the commercial breaks. I realize that there were some "far-fetched" elements to the story, but I expected as much going into the ep since the murder was from 1919. I was willing to suspend a tiny bit of reality for the sake of good story telling and entertainment. This episode provided both while also presenting a case that made me think, feel and even learn a little bit more about what these women went through back then. Lilly's story was exactly what I've been wanting this half of the season. I liked the way it didn't take away from her involvement in the case. She was heavily invested in both, and that alone made this one excellent for me. It seems that she has a long road ahead of her with her mother. Kathryn and Meredith Baxter were amazing, and I'm looking forward to watching this story develop in the future. Bravo to all the folks at CC for an excellent episode that will serve as a highlight of the season for me. As always, more thoughts and screen caps at Pass the Remote. |
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Post by Pixie on Apr 11, 2007 8:52:23 GMT -5
Anyone noticed that these old cases' victims (Torn & BLF) was or were involved with high society....??
Those would be mentioned in the newspapers or tabloids, so it's not every poor person who was murdered in 1910s or 1920s you actually can solve...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 11, 2007 9:12:29 GMT -5
Pixie- I noticed this as well.... Ever notice how childish Ellen acts and how their roles are sort of reversed. It's clear that Lilly doesn't like this one bit.
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Post by eurache on Apr 12, 2007 10:42:32 GMT -5
Pixie- I noticed this as well.... Ever notice how childish Ellen acts and how their roles are sort of reversed. It's clear that Lilly doesn't like this one bit. Well, you will notice as you get older and your parents get even older; the roles will reverse. I know b/c I went thru this with my mom and now, I'm going thru this with my motherinlaw. It's a true fact of Life  |
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Post by Disasterfreak on May 6, 2007 1:05:07 GMT -5
I agree the episode was a little farfetched--I mean, really doubt Philly PD would be wasting resources on a 1919 case where all suspects are dead--but I still shamelessly enjoyed it ;D. It just worked for me, I guess. I'm a sucker for historical fiction and the recreation was flawless--plus it brought out the suffragette in me. Feel pretty much as Naj did--hard to believe this was ONLY 90 yrs ago, women fighting for votes, african americans fighting for votes. It's like another world where they aren't even PEOPLE. Geez. (BTW, Naj, I just KNEW you'd be gutter-minded about that look, hehe--I came to the thread expecting your comment ;-) )
RichE, also caught the insistence on there being TWO FEMALE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES. Yup, definitely making fun of us, those writers. But they're about a year too late--we're all in love with Kat by now. Ok, I'll just speak for myself.
And may I say I really loved those Lilly/Mom scenes? You just GOTTA hand it to Meredith Baxter--hell of an actress. And KM had some pretty good scenes there too.
Voted this one "excellent". Only thing that kept it from being "one of the season's best" is, I got too many in that category already. And compared to some of the others, this one DID have some plot flaws. But, really, who cares? Kept me glued to the screen the whole hour at two o'clock in the morning.
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Post by lv07 on Aug 1, 2007 15:22:26 GMT -5
This episode is why I have come to love Cold Case. For me, it was perfect. It was flawless. It was brilliant. How can you say it was flawless??? There's a MAJOR error in that episode... Francis Stone never got married - I REALLY don't think that a single high society girl like Francis had any kids. How is it possible for Emma Stone to ask Lily Rush to reopen the case then? She being Francis' great-great-great grand daughter?  ?? |
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 1, 2007 19:11:17 GMT -5
How can you say it was flawless??? There's a MAJOR error in that episode... Francis Stone never got married - I REALLY don't think that a single high society girl like Francis had any kids. How is it possible for Emma Stone to ask Lily Rush to reopen the case then? She being Francis' great-great-great grand daughter? ?? As I understood it, Emma Stone was the great-great grandaughter of Grammy Stone, not Francis Stone. The family connection suggested that Francis was something like the great-great Aunt to Emma (I haven't re-watched this episode lately, so if that is off somewhat, apologies). Therefore, I didn't see the family connection via Emma as an error, and I guess I understood that relationship was to be implied, not explicitly pointed out or detailed. Perhaps there are some loose ends as it pertains to Grammy Stone, but for me, that was minor. The case was about Francis' death; other details as to exactly how Emma needed to be related to either Stone did not make this episode falter, IMHO. And, I'd have to concur with many others here in this thread that the sheer nature of this case being set in 1919 and/or that PPD Homicide even decided to take a look at it requires a certain level of suspended belief. For me, that was fine. Outside of the case, there were other elements of this episode that still rank it as one of the best of the season for me. |
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Post by boxman on Oct 13, 2007 22:33:54 GMT -5
I watched the CBS rerun tonight (after watching the game where KU beat LSU.... Yaayyyy! ), and it occurred to me that aren't the suffragettes protesting at the exact location of Vera's basement apartment?? Isn't that the location where Andre was playing ball, nearly ninety years later?? If so, that's rather funny, considering how sexist Vera is... ;D |
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Post by eurache on Dec 7, 2007 14:53:14 GMT -5
re-airing December 11th ;D
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Post by eurache on Apr 26, 2008 6:58:43 GMT -5
CBS REPEAT ON MAY 17TH, 2008
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Post by eurache on Jul 11, 2008 6:24:14 GMT -5
CBS REPEAT - JULY 27, 2008- 10 PM ET
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 18, 2008 12:13:52 GMT -5
Does anyone notice that perhaps that Ellen, was in fact trying to tell Lilly that someone wasn't right with her. Repeating things like" I'm so tired all the time" but the thing that really bothered be was when Ellen said" You're place is J-O-B" meaning that Lilly spends all her time there but isn't quite having a life that she might be having.
Or simply, it could in fact mean a lot of things. But I think Ellen already knew that she was sick but couldn't fully relate to her daughter, her feelings.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 26, 2008 15:15:29 GMT -5
This episode is why I have come to love Cold Case. For me, it was perfect. It was flawless. It was brilliant. How can you say it was flawless??? There's a MAJOR error in that episode... Francis Stone never got married - I REALLY don't think that a single high society girl like Francis had any kids. How is it possible for Emma Stone to ask Lily Rush to reopen the case then? She being Francis' great-great-great grand daughter? ?? ERROR! Emma was not Francis Granddaughther, Francis was like her grand aunt... Anyway, This episode was wonderful for me! The oldest case to date |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 8, 2009 9:44:46 GMT -5
I'm loving reruns  This episode is still EXCELLENT for me and one of my all time favorites I was not expecting such a good case for a 1919 case but believe me; It's excellent I even have no questions LOL The only thing that was never explained was that If The Stones went broke when Prohibiton was enacted or in the 1929 crash |
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Post by Electrophile on Jan 9, 2009 22:19:38 GMT -5
I always liked this episode, I rated it as "excellent". Yes it took complete suspension of disbelief on the part of us as the audience to believe that Frances's mother made a recording confessing to pushing her daughter over the balcony and thus killing her, but it's a pithy point and doesn't take away from the message being presented.
Women back then had no rights whatsoever. They couldn't own property, they couldn't vote, they couldn't decide when or if they should become pregnant, they couldn't get divorces, they could do absolutely nothing without a father/brother/husband's approval. You see it with Frances's friend, who also happens to be the family's maid. She was beaten for learning to read. Much like Wednesday's Women, The Good-Bye Room and Wings, this episode delves into a part of American history that concerns the rights and treatment of women.
The only thing that kept it in my mind from being rated "one of the season's best" was I didn't think it had enough oomph to get it there, but it was very, very close.
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Post by toddsmitts on May 3, 2009 13:13:15 GMT -5
Once I noticed it, there's a funny continuity gaffe duing the final confronation between Francis and her mother. Watch Elizabeth's shawl (sp?) magically disappear and reappear, depening on the shot! ;D
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