Ep 6.21 November 22

[longislanditalian2]

My bad she did have a connection with the man, whom she stole the gun from.

As for the mention of Kat and musicals I think this was direct reference to Tracie Thoms herself; whom has starred in Musicals herself.

[myril]

I pretty much liked this episode and this case. Reasons are mostly the same, Irishkale already described, couldn't say it any better.

So I am saying a little more concerning Paul Cooper. As Ali I expected something to happen at some point as finally did in this episode. I don't think , there has to be a big secret like some criminal story why Cooper left the family 30 years or so ago, but we will see, perhaps. Parents like to tell their kids, it's complicate and not really their business, when they have or had problems with each other and for themselves, even years later when those kids are by now adults themselves and probably could understand. Breaking up, divorce, especially when kids are involved is complicate, feelings are complicate, talking about it is complicate. Wouldn't read too much into those lines, neither into, that he worked a long time to get where he is now. That's the way Cooper see's it.

No matter what good reason Cooper might even give, from Lilly's point of view he did leave her, he abonded her. As adult she might be able to understand his reasons now, but that quite likely won't resolve her feelings.

Try to imagine, you are a six year old kid and your daddy is gone, you're alone with a mother, who is a mess or turning into one, and probably a younger sister (well, we know Lilly has one, though she's never mentioned in this story line with Cooper), no one around to really take care of you, to guide you. Damn, I would be angry at everybody and particular at the person, who I think could have made a difference if he just would have stayed around.

Those are unresolved feelings, Lilly is showing now. You can say, the kid / teenager she has been, shows up again, plus 30 years of doubts and musings. She doesn't just remember those feelings, she relives them. Let go? That is easy to say, hard to do. Unresolved feelings, particular from childhood, can be very strong, no matter how much time has gone by. The more when you think, that it was the starting point of a chain of events, one more painful than the other, effecting you all of your life.

[Naj]

I found this a bit boring although I had no trouble following the case all the way thru. Blondie reminded me of Blonde from the newspaper cartoon strip. I really disliked the music and it didn't seem to jive with 1963 in Philidelphia. It gets an OK from me. Lilly and her dad - let's have another go nowhere rehashing of Lilly's past - do something already Lilly! Face your past and let go!!!! I don't know why this was set around JFK's shooting - I guess just to show that other people died that day.

[longislanditalian2]

I have to agree with Naj, here Lilly need to face her past and let it go already. It's enough..

[toddsmitts]

Apr 27, 2009 7:53:01 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

Apr 27, 2009 7:24:12 GMT -5 toddsmitts said:

Yeah, about that. Give or take a few months.



No I didn't. I said female on male homicide. Very rare on CC. Only about a handful of examples. More often a female doer will kill a female victim.




Law & Orders does A LOT. Star Trek did. NYPD Blue did. Too many other examples to count.




I don't buy that.

1. OK. I did not understand the female on male homicide
2. I dont like when shows recycle actors
3. Cooper is hiding something

1) Ok.

2) Without it, you wouldn't have had so many years of Jerry Orbach as Lennie Briscoe on "Law & Order" (he'd played a lawyer in an early episode).

3) Probably so, but he's not a gangster. (My guess is he's hiding something related to LILLY, not himself).

[The Reverend Bizarre]

Can someone give me a refresher on what Paul did that tiffed Lilly off? From what I gathered it had something to do with him having another family, and not telling them about Lilly, or vice versa. If I'm off, tell me.

I also think it's a little too soon for Lilly to just let go of the whole thing. For one, that would be really out of character for her since, she doesn't seem to be the forgiving type when she's the one that's been wronged. (Or when she perceives it to be that way.) Then there's the idea that Lilly could be a candidate for Abandoned Child Syndrome

[longislanditalian2]

Paul lied to Lilly about telling his family about her.

[The Reverend Bizarre]

So I was close, alright, thanks!

[longislanditalian2]

At the end of the episode, Paul knew what he had done was wrong. He wanted to talk but saw that she was upset/sad.

[byrdman9802]

Hello boys and girls!

Hey, it's the Byrdman coming at you on this rocking Monday. I hope that you all had good weekends, and that your weeks are off to rocking starts so far!

Well, I just saw this episode, and I gave it a good rating. I have to admit I was a little down about what happened to Lilly with her dad. The poor girl has been hurt so often in her life, it just keeps popping up every time that she grows close to someone, be it boyfriend or family member.

But that was the main drawback for me tonight. I think it will make the next two episodes very, very interesting. Will Lilly patch it up with Cooper? Is he gone? I did like seeing Lilly as always though.

But I did notice Eion Bailey right away! Mindhunters! I wonder if KM had any pull in getting him that role. But I loved the way that Kat got Jeffries to start reading plays, and the way that he mocked her about her teacher "saying she would never amount to anything."

Also liked Vera and Jeffries going back and forth about the sandwiches they had. Tabasco on your hoagie? Yuck! But Jeffries' sandwich was not much better.

I also liked the main theme of the episode. I thought the Kennedy assassination was an interesting twist and something that helped the crime itself take place. I like to learn about President Kennedy, and seeing him at the beginning and seeing John Jr. salute him at his funeral was very interesting. Hearing everyone talk about where they were got my attention too. Everyone who was there for that event seems to remember where they were when they heard about it. Tragic times......

But I also heard that CC got some dismal ratings this week.....that was a bummer too. Let's hope that the season can end with a bang! Have a great night, boys and girls!

[eduardodelroice]

Apr 27, 2009 18:22:03 GMT -5 byrdman9802 said:

But I also heard that CC got some dismal ratings this week.....that was a bummer too. Let's hope that the season can end with a bang! Have a great night, boys and girls!

For what I saw on SpoilerTV: We had 10.9 million viewers. Kind of low But other shows had low ratings too so maybe people are not following TV A lot

I liked how Lilly ignored him in the end

[boxman]

Folks, don't forget I mentioned several episodes ago that there could be a significance to the name "Cooper" and his location in Haddonfield, New Jersey. The "Cooper River" runs through Haddonfield.

The river is named after the Cooper family who settled in the area, supposedly to make barrels for trade for businesses in Philadelphia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_River_(New_Jersey)

So Lilly's dad could be 'old money', from a family that first settled the area he's living in now.

[longislanditalian2]

If he was from old money, his family with Ellen wouldn't have been poor. So I guess he isn't from money.

Cooper isn't a criminal, Lilly did a background check on him before she actually went to see him. If he had anything, it would have showed up.

[eduardodelroice]

I don't think Cooper comes from a rich family... Let's see what happens

[lillyfan]

Apr 27, 2009 13:29:01 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

Did not understand very well the issue with the gun theft? How they knew it was Sharon?

They knew it was Sharron because she sent the anonymous note to Balitmore Red setting up the game and it said something about "Top Dog" making him look silly. Sharron's the one that called him that so they knew she hadn't given up hustling like she said so it had to be her.

OK episode, it was a little slow for me though. Loved the part with Lilly and dad, great acting on both parts. I was thinking that maybe he isn't her father and he left and couldn't take her with. I hope we find out next week.
Damn that teaser at the end.
I'm counting the minutes until the season finale. Ok maybe just the hours 120.5 left. I know I'm such a dork. ;D

[irishkale]

I was thinking about the whole JFK thing and I think that it was set on that day because it was sort of a "writer's joke."

You know how whenever they do an older case from like 50-60 years ago, and when they ask "where were you that day," the interviewee always can describe exactly where they were and what they were doing? They all have incredible memories and remember these details 50 or 60 years later! So as a viewer you have to "suspend your disbelief" and just trust that "that's how the show works."

So the writer of the episode takes the old cliché -- "Everyone remembers exactly where they were when Kennedy was shot" -- and works it into an episode so that this time, there's actually a valid REASON for people to remember what they were doing at that moment (and therefore establish their alibis, etc.)

So it was like the writer of the ep was giving a little wink to the fans that "hey, they ARE going to remember" when Lilly asks what they were doing 40+ years ago

[eduardodelroice]

Apr 29, 2009 2:26:55 GMT -5 irishkale said:

I was thinking about the whole JFK thing and I think that it was set on that day because it was sort of a "writer's joke."

You know how whenever they do an older case from like 50-60 years ago, and when they ask "where were you that day," the interviewee always can describe exactly where they were and what they were doing? They all have incredible memories and remember these details 50 or 60 years later! So as a viewer you have to "suspend your disbelief" and just trust that "that's how the show works."

So the writer of the episode takes the old cliché -- "Everyone remembers exactly where they were when Kennedy was shot" -- and works it into an episode so that this time, there's actually a valid REASON for people to remember what they were doing at that moment (and therefore establish their alibis, etc.)

So it was like the writer of the ep was giving a little wink to the fans that "hey, they ARE going to remember" when Lilly asks what they were doing 40+ years ago

Good point Irishkale: And even Lilly asked "where where you the day Kennedy was shot?"
I'm really happy they gave Ryan Farley a chance. This proves they care about less famous writers

[leni810]

I forgot to vote for this ep!!
I voted for "good" but I thought it could be even "excellent". I regretted it but it was too late.

I like the eps with even the slightest historical reference. Nice compination of the case with JFK's murder. That's why no one noticed the crime, that's why everyone remembered what they did back then. The answers, when they asked "where have you been when Kennedy was murdered?", "Am I suspect for this, too?" were ironic.
Nice, too, the combination with this "Pool thing". The intervene of this particular game was quite interesting, the philosophy, the gamers and so on.
The parallelism between the victim's "daughter" and Lil was good. I usually found a little annoying the common things between cases and Lil's backstories but this was good.
As for Lil and her dad, themselves, it was an interesting twist in their relationship and, basicly, reallistic. They have some things that they have to solve before everything turns sunny. All these happy moments they had weren't so well-based. He left her. She is angry deep down. She feels abandonned. They should reveal everything, face it and move on.
I was surprised with her dad's explosion! He has something dark in him.

[longislanditalian2]

Every character has a conflict, you can't just have two characters without that. I knew somehow that was going to happened, but Lilly does have a right to know. Cooper in the end knew that he was wrong, but I'm just glad that he isn't a drunk like Elllen. It makes the storyline so much better without having a drunk parent again..

[eduardodelroice]

Yes leni, Paul has hidden something