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Post by boxman on Nov 10, 2008 23:34:30 GMT -5
I don't believe I ever have claimed coffee as a sign for anything--I just have always pointed out that coffee tends to appear in many scenes and tends to be consumed a lot in this show. Are we including breathing, talking, walking and sitting as recurring, yet unexplained themes? ;D  <--- Boxman rolls eyes three times.... Maybe it was the coffee drinking that foreshadowed the Phillies winning the 2008 World Series?  |
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Post by riche on Nov 11, 2008 4:26:12 GMT -5
One might describe you as a person who likes to disturbeth the poopeth.  How accurate would one be? I think the poopeth stayeth exactlyth whereth it lefteth ;D I just find can't take very seriously the idea that our cops drinking a lot of coffee being an unexplained theme. More likely beer drinking and hot dog eating ;D Remind me again about the "world" part. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 11, 2008 7:20:15 GMT -5
I had to vote for one of this season's best... It was excellent
I would like to say that I felt The Dealer was not a bad episode as others and that Roller Girl was good but not so good as others say but that's just my opinion
Talking about the episode: the suicide scene and the Vera interrogation was flawless... Impressive... the plot, the acting and the music were unique... I liked all the details about this ep
We knew it had to be Chuck because he was like the bad boy or something but even with that detail... It was one of the best episodes (for me that I have watched all) of Cold Case... maybe It's because I like sentimental cases...
The Cooper thing was also intriguing... I would like to see that solved.... even if sometimes they dont continue things...
They did not solve the case of the boy that died in The Ghost Of My Child or the woman that was killed in Cargo(season 4) even if in the last one we could guess who did it
I hope Lilly could solve the Cooper case as she solved the P. Bubley's case...well, those are different situations but still
EXCELLENT EP
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 11, 2008 7:22:26 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks next week's episode is going to be filler, much like last week's episode? That promo did nothing to entice me to watch it. I'm going to of course, but if you're a casual watcher....I can't see anyone getting pulled in by it. Electrophile... We don't know, some people said the road was not gonna be a good ep and you know what happened...It was one of the best cold cases ever... and Vera will have an important part on that ep and since he has been so strong this season, It could be a nice ep |
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Post by SamIam on Nov 11, 2008 21:02:20 GMT -5
I finaly saw this episode. it was alot better that last weeks. it didn't really stand out from the past episodes, but i still really liked it. i loved the parts with vera.  |
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Post by toddsmitts on Nov 12, 2008 1:59:40 GMT -5
I'm gonna say, first off, that I'm a HUGE fan of the space program of the sixties and early seventies. No joke, I can tell you flat out the name of EVERY ASTRONAUT on EVERY Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo flight! So I was gonna be watching this episode closely to see what facts they got right. -Everybody and their dog has heard that scratchy recording of the "one small step" speech of Neil Armstrong's a thousand times. It's ingrained into your brain, like that footage of JFK waving in the car before he got shot. The speech obviously doesn't belong at the spot in the footage we see Lilly watching, but it establishes things well. I do, however, like how the title refers to both the speech, and the leap over the river the boys have to make. -It's a little distressing that Lilly didn't know who Mike Collins was, and that the writers seemed to assume the audience didn't either. Please, tell me a few people here knew the Apollo missions all had three-man crews. How many people here have also heard of Wehner von Braun, the genius German rocket scientist who gave us the Saturn V. If Chuck, Bobby, and Seth where Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Mike Collins, respectively then Danny was definately their von Braun. Speaking of which, there's a touch of irony in the "role" each kid was cast in: 1) Chuck is the total antithesis of Neil Armstrong. Armstrong seems to have no ego or bravado whatsoever. He constantly shuns interviews and is the first to say he gets credit for a venture that took thousands of people. And yet, he also has a cool head under pressure. On his Gemini mission, for example, a faulty thruster caused his craft to go spinning out of control, to the point he and his crewmate were close to blacking out. Neil kept calm, however, and his quick thinking helped him regain control of the craft. Chuck on the other hand, couldn't even clear a jump of a few feet. 2) Bobby seems happy to follow Chuck's lead, but Buzz Aldrin was a bit more forthright. He actually wanted to be the first one out when they landed on the moon (he probably based this on the fact that on Gemini missions, the pilot got to do space walks while the commader stayed inside). But the fact that the hatch on the LM opened inwards towards Buzz's side instead of Neil's, meant Neil had more room to get out first (that and the fact that most people assumed, based on protocol, that the commander ought to be the one to get out first). 3) That leaves the screwed-up Seth as Mike Collins. Actually the real Mike Collins is a fairly easygoing guy. He's said repeatedly that going "99% of the way" was good enough for him. He also happens to be the only one of the three Apollo 11 astronauts (and one of the few Apollo astronauts all together) who never got divorced. -I've heard a lot of people compare this episode to "The Sleepover", but while there were some parallels on the surface (four kids about 12 years old; nerdy victim with glasses who was killed at the river) there were some important differences too. If it was just a rehash of "Sleepover", then Bobby would have been the doer. He was the submissive one, eager for the approval of the "leader" (just like Ariel in "The Sleepover" and Celeste in "Stand Up and Holler") I'm glad it turned out to be Chuck. Maybe I'm just happier with a case when the doer is the character I relate to the least (which might be why I hated "Roller Girl" so much  ). - I'M usually the one here who recognizes actors around here so it's interesting that I didn't recognize the actor who played Chuck at all. I did recognize Ed Lauter as the old detective. He was one of the two FBI agents from "The Rocketeer" (the other one, James Handy, played Stillman's old Vietnam buddy in "Honor"). I also recognized Joel Murray (one of Bill's lesser-known brothers) from "Dharma & Greg" as well as from the under-rated "Still Standing" (one of the few sitcoms I can stomach). -I guess as the show goes on, it gets harder to keep from using music that's been used before. The end song was Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale", which we also heard in another 1969 episode, "Volunteers", was back in season one. -I highly doubt this Cooper thing is something they'll just drop. It was way too blatant. I think they're setting up something for later in the season. -Anyone else find it odd that we didn't see Seth's "ghost" at the end? They've shown us the recently deceased before: "The Woods", "Death Penatly: Final Appeal", "Thrill Kill", and "Windfall" (Whoops! That last one was mine! ) -Also anyone else find it odd that we saw Det. McAvoy "flash" to his younger self but we never actually saw him in 1969? I'm betting there was some scene that got cut for time. (Yet another reason to long for some DVD sets!) -I know I've plugged this before but anyone interested in the moon landing should check out the Tom Hanks mini-series "Friom the Earth to the Moon". It's what got me hooked. Interestingly enough, there's also a TON of CC guest stars in the series. The wierd part is, most of them went on to play the doer (or one of the doers) in various episodes. The killers (or someone partly responsible for a death) from the episodes "Gleen", "Bad Night", "One Night", "Forever Blue", "A Dollar, A Dream", and "Wednesday's Women" all had roles in the film (most of them playing astronauts). That's all for now! |
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Post by Collider on Nov 12, 2008 2:02:51 GMT -5
Anyone else find it odd that we didn't see Seth's "ghost" at the end? I did notice this, actually. I was really expecting - hoping, actually - that either Bobby or Vera would see Seth at some point, or that Young!Seth would be seen alongside Danny at the end, but it just never happened. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 12, 2008 4:49:54 GMT -5
Talking about "ghosts"... Did anyone feel that except for True Calling.... Ghosts are shown just like 1 second on the screen? It's not like in the previous seasons....
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Post by riche on Nov 12, 2008 8:12:56 GMT -5
-Also anyone else find it odd that we saw Det. McAvoy "flash" to his younger self but we never actually saw him in 1969? I'm betting there was some scene that got cut for time. (Yet another reason to long for some DVD sets!) He was the 'boxman' at the start. Flashbacks are always in the lead up to the murder. I can't think of a post-murder flashback that didn't involve one of the main crew, though I'm sure someone can. Talking about "ghosts"... Did anyone feel that except for True Calling.... Ghosts are shown just like 1 second on the screen? It's not like in the previous seasons.... Looking back through the episodes of season 6 so far they all show the ghosts for about the same length of time. I haven't timed them to the frame but I'd say the shortest so far is from this episode at around 3 seconds. All the rest are at least 4 seconds. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 12, 2008 10:44:59 GMT -5
Thanks Riche, when I said 1 second I meant it lees time than on previous seasons
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Post by boxman on Nov 12, 2008 11:09:03 GMT -5
And a couple of extras: the paper Lilly was holding at the end and the map the old case detective had.   P.S.- whose gonna google earth search the adress on the paper? *sing-songy* I-am! The area certainly exists, it's just east of Philly, but the street doesn't. Oh, yeah! I forgot they did give an address for this Cooper guy. "Haddonfield, New Jersey" is right outside of Philly to the southeast. It's a small historic town, and it's downtown district surrrounding King's Hwy and Haddon Avenue give it that classic "smalltown America" feel to it, something similar to the town in "Ghost Whisperer", for comparison. More likely beer drinking and hot dog eating ;D Remind me again about the "world" part. Tsk, tsk.... Have you forgotten so soon, RichE? Wrong thread! ;D |
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Post by riche on Nov 12, 2008 16:14:41 GMT -5
I went back and chose some episodes at random from each season a checked how long each "ghost" is on screen for in seconds. The numbers are rough, I rounded up to the nearest second. If the scene cut back to one of our cops or a loved one I didn't include their screen time. With a fade, as they often to did, I included until the person had disappeared completely, not until the shot cut away.
Season 1
- Look Again = 5
- The Runner = 7
- The Letter = 6
- Resolutions = 11
- The Plan = 3
Season 2
- Daniela = 36
- Red Glare = 7
- Time To Crime = 11
- Strange Fruit = 7
- The Woods = 9
Season 3
- Colors = 12
- A Perfect Day = 19
- One Night = 14
- The Hen House = 5
- Joseph = 11
Season 4
- Sandhogs = 25
- Forever Blue = 42
- Blackout = 20
- A Dollar A Dream = 5
- The Good Death = 11
Season 5
- Thrill Kill = 8
- Thick As Thieves = 11
- Family 8108 = 10
- The Road = 7
- Slipping = 9
Season 6
- Glory Days = 6
- Roller Girl = 5
- One Small Step = 8
Daniela, Perfect Day, Sandhogs and Forever Blue included far more interaction with a living person than the others so they are much longer than most. Blackout included a big special guest as the victim so that may have been extended to give her air time. Those things make season 4 look unusual. I could have chosen other episodes instead but I wanted to stick with the random sampling. I did have to dismiss a couple because there was no "ghost".
So, I woudn't say there has been a major shift towards shorter "ghosts" recently. I do think they are more standardised in being a simple shot. Some early ones were quite elaborate.
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Post by riche on Nov 12, 2008 16:18:34 GMT -5
Remind me again about the "world" part. Tsk, tsk.... Have you forgotten so soon, RichE? Clearly. So it's America, Canada and....? |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 12, 2008 19:53:51 GMT -5
Thank you so much RichE... Maybe you are right in the point that now It's just a simple shot... It was common in season 4 that the victim's ghost was seen like so much time that I was just so used to it... I know some not cc fan people say that's ridiculous but that's one of the cc things I love the most. I must have to admit that I like when the ghost dances, walks, smiles and so on... Oh! I am sentimental and I like to see that the ghost interacts with someone
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Post by toddsmitts on Nov 12, 2008 20:59:26 GMT -5
Thank you so much RichE... Maybe you are right in the point that now It's just a simple shot... It was common in season 4 that the victim's ghost was seen like so much time that I was just so used to it... I know some not cc fan people say that's ridiculous but that's one of the cc things I love the most. I must have to admit that I like when the ghost dances, walks, smiles and so on... Oh! I am sentimental and I like to see that the ghost interacts with someone Yeah. I think, for the most part, I tend to look back on season 4 as something of a "golden age" for the show. Although my all time fave "A Perfect Day" was season 3, season 4 (particularly the latter half) just seemed to consistently have so many enjoyable and re-watchable episodes. (Season 6 could also take some lessons from season 4 about having a more even male/female murderer ratio, but I digress...) P.S. My bad for overlooking Mack being the boxman (boxman?) at the start. |
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Post by toddsmitts on Jul 20, 2009 16:20:56 GMT -5
Speaking as an Apollo buff, I'll say not a bad episode but clearly written by people who were not Apollo buffs.
Wernher von Braun didn't "create the space program", as Danny said. NASA and the space program had already existed for some time before von Braun joined it. What von Braun did was build the Saturn V, the colossal booster needed to lift the Apollo command module and lunar module into space and break orbit to fly to the moon. The rockets used on the earlier Mercury and Gemini missions were actually converted ballistic missiles originally designed to fire nuclear weapons.
Also Buzz Aldrin was not a "mission specialist" as Chuck said (though we can chalk that up to Chuck being a bit ignorant of the astronauts' roles). Buzz was a Lunar Module Pilot,though this term's a bit misleading since Neil Armstrong is the one that actually flew the LM. It was spelt LM but pronounced "LEM", which was a holdover from when it was called the "Lunar Excursion Module". (NASA thought "excursion" sounded too frivolous).
I still wonder if most people, like Lilly and Vera, really don't know who Michael Collins is.
It's also worth noting that we see Walter Cronkite on TV briefly at the start. It's sad that he died just three days before the 40th anniversary of one of the most famous events he's associated with. The other guy on TV is Wally Schirra, who commanded Apollo 7, the first manned Apollo mission. The voice who says "We copy you down, Eagle" is astronaut Charlie Duke at capcom, who later walked on the moon himself on Apollo 16.
Anyways, happy 40th!
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Post by stillmanfan on Apr 16, 2010 21:01:53 GMT -5
This was a good episode, I liked it. I wasn't sure who did it but figured it was one of the friends.
Never expected Seth to hang himself but liked Vera as well as Lilly.
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