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Post by riche on Nov 3, 2008 8:43:45 GMT -5
I find myself pretty much agreeing with everyone. It was an indistinct episode. Apart from the Vera interview little stood out. The previous 5 good ones, following a less than stellar season 5, has set a high standard which could be difficult to maintain. This could easily have been an episode from season 5, nothing in it really put it in the season 6 timeline. I had Oscar pegged early on, though I did waver, because it was well known actor Ayre Gross (who co-starred in, but didn't appear with, KM in Minority Report). Not many Lilly smiles in this one either. No ;D makes RichE  This is also one of the only episode I can recall where they actually had several actors speak with the "Philly Accent" to some degree or another. Did any of you find it hard to understand and follow? I'm curious of what people thought about the accent, especially you European fans. I'm not great on accents but I didn't feel that I struggled to understand anyone. I may not have followed every word that was said but I got the gist. |
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Post by Collider on Nov 3, 2008 9:04:02 GMT -5
I find myself pretty much agreeing with everyone. It was an indistinct episode. Apart from the Vera interview little stood out. The previous 5 good ones, following a less than stellar season 5, has set a high standard which could be difficult to maintain. This could easily have been an episode from season 5, nothing in it really put it in the season 6 timeline. Indistinct!! Perfect word choice, RichE... thank you! Absolutely agree, here. We've had a blindingly awesome season thus far, with no real sub-par episodes; I suppose it was pretty inevitable that one would sneak in eventually. To be fair to this one - IIRC, it was shot a month or so after the first five were... so I'd suppose a little grating is inevitable while they requisition their groove back. But still! |
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Post by SamIam on Nov 3, 2008 9:57:40 GMT -5
yeah, i agree with everyone. This episode did seem more like season 5 than the others. Don't get me wrong i love cold case, but this one just wasn't the same  The rest of the season was really good. |
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Post by beldasnoop on Nov 3, 2008 12:58:00 GMT -5
I liked the music, and I liked the ending sequence a lot. The rest of the story was confusing, but I'm glad they did not go the obvious route (Mickey) with the murderer. I thought the actual murder looked somewhat unbelievable, though. I did like the story of Donna and her daughter, and wish they'd focused on that a little more.
I gave it a "good".
One small note about accents--while regional accents definitely still exist, they aren't as prevalent as they used to be in a lot of areas. In big cities on the East Coast (I'm originally from the Washington, DC area), there are transplants from all over who have a wide range of accents. Also, a lot of people who are natives of an area work hard to get rid of their accents for various reasons. Also, I've noticed that in a lot of areas, regional accents tend to get lighter with newer generations. I don't think it's unbelievable that not everybody in Cold Case has a Philly accent--even characters like Lilly who are supposed to be from there. Maybe she didn't want to be associated so much with her old background and neighborhood so she worked to get rid of it. That goes for other characters as well.
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Post by riche on Nov 3, 2008 14:04:11 GMT -5
I tend to look at documents that appear during my capping process. Sometimes they throw up interesting information. Often they appear to be very genuine but this one clearly has part of the episode script (from a different scene about half way through the show) on it. VA = Scotty, ST = John, R = Lilly. The date, top right, in US format, says 2 November 2008.  |
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Post by mitchy on Nov 3, 2008 14:53:15 GMT -5
I'll give this one a good, it didn't rock my small self-centred world like the past three episodes but then it had a hell of a lot to live up to, so I guess it was inevitable. If even the not-so-great episodes still rate an "OK" or "Good" during a 20+ episode season, I'd say that's a sign of a good show. Everyone's commented on the Vera interview and rightly so - Jeremy clearly had way too much fun with that one! Otherwise it was a fairly straightforward episode, with a minimal plot, but done decently enough. One thing I'm curious about, I notice the role of the dealership manager Mickey was played by two men with the surname "Dobson", Kevin (Mickey '08) and Peter ('81). Kevin Dobson is famous for playing Crocker in "Kojack" and Mack in "Knots Landing" so I initially thought he might be the doer! Anyway, I'm wondering if they are father and son? Be pretty nifty casting if they were  I always say that every CC episode needs more Kat Miller but how brilliant would this episode have been if Tracie Thoms had been able to take full part? The first interview she did, where the victim's best friend talked about the struggles of a single mother, brought some beautiful facial reactions from Tracie and I was like "ARGH! They need Kat's perspective for this episode!!" Just think of the potential to get into Kat's personal life this episode would have offered. Oh well, c'est la vie! So overall, I'm pleased with the ep but yeh, not going to be in the top ten for the season. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 3, 2008 15:15:44 GMT -5
I gave this one a Good... It was not as bad as other episodes(thick as thieves, bad reputation, 8 years)-- Donna was a likeable victim and Lilly was wonderful. I Think this case made her remember about her mother. Good music and costumes... I liked the flashbacks. Good Vera's interrogation with Mickey
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1. I did not understand the joke they played on Donna--- bruce &co
2. Someone was stealing parts and they were scamming people too? =O
3. in the end Vera, Valens and Jeffries opened a car and saw something, was what that?
thanks
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Post by Electrophile on Nov 3, 2008 15:30:49 GMT -5
HOWEVER 1. I did not understand the joke they played on Donna--- bruce &co 2. Someone was stealing parts and they were scamming people too? =O 3. in the end Vera, Valens and Jeffries opened a car and saw something, was what that? thanks 1. Basically the guy would buy any car, from anyone, no matter what. Like Mickey said, he bought a car from them every month. It wouldn't have been a hard sell at all for Donna, which was the point. They were giving her "work" to do, but it wasn't really work. They weren't really letting her show her skills as a seller. 2. Yeah, although that happened a lot with auto dealers in the 80s. As was mentioned many times during the episode, no one was buying American anymore. Foreign-built cars, especially those made in Japan, were cheaper and had better fuel mileage. Which at that time, meant a lot. So they'd steal parts and file an insurance report for theft and get the money those parts would cost back.....it was a way to line their pockets when they otherwise weren't making a ton of cash. 3. It looked like bloodstains to me, although it's highly improbable that the bloodstains would last that long and be clear enough to recognize. |
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Post by riche on Nov 3, 2008 15:39:36 GMT -5
HOWEVER 1. I did not understand the joke they played on Donna--- bruce &co They sent her to sell a car to the man. He immediately offered to buy it with a cheque. Donna was excited that she had made a sale. The man was known to the salesman as someone that comes to the showroom a lot but does not really buy anything. Yes. Buy stealing the parts from the garage they could sell them and get money from insurance. They didn't see anything, there was nothing there. Perhaps it was supposed to remind us of Donna being found in the boot/trunk of a car. Also by zooming the camera in they could fade to black to get to the next scene. |
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Post by yankee1151 on Nov 3, 2008 20:36:27 GMT -5
Me too. And dude has not aged well. I was all, "that looks like a much older Arye Gross... wait... whoa."
Regardless... good guest cast, underwhelming ep. That's all I got.
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Post by irishkale on Nov 3, 2008 22:57:37 GMT -5
Good catch, Riche! That's pretty funny |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 4, 2008 3:57:32 GMT -5
Thanks RichE and Electrophile for the answers.
This episode for me was good. Not a perfect one like True Calling or Wednesday's women(the best until now) but I liked it. I watched it yesterday and I read some comments before and I was scared... but it was a nice one. The doer was a bit of surprising
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Post by riche on Nov 4, 2008 7:32:02 GMT -5
Me too. And dude has not aged well. I was all, "that looks like a much older Arye Gross... wait... whoa." I thought that Richard Portnow was a very good likeness for an old Arye Gross. |
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Post by eurache on Nov 4, 2008 7:54:01 GMT -5
I said it was "okay".  I was getting bored at the first half of the show, then I fell asleep.. So I missed the other half and the ending. *sigh* I guess I missed Vera's antics.. |
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Post by SamIam on Nov 4, 2008 17:22:51 GMT -5
Maybe ill rewatch it and se if i like it more. i just thought it was a bit boring. who knows maybe i'll pick up some other stuff. Hopefully its just like a filler episode and next weeks will be better.
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Post by pavlovsdog on Nov 5, 2008 6:48:57 GMT -5
I thought there were a lot of strong and very believeable characters in this episode, especially the victim Donna D'Amico.
But as indicated by others, the ending was pretty lame, yet another heat of the moment kill.
Shame really. I also agree there were elements that were a little confusing, such as the scams and the joke played on Donna.
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Post by zoé on Nov 7, 2008 6:23:52 GMT -5
I watch it twice over the week and both time this episode left me completely cold. I found the opening sequence catchy, the victim was compelling, the guest stars were solid, music was really good… all the ingredients for a good episode but no emotion at all and nothing remotely original in the case (heat of the moment murder near a car with an iron bar has already been done in the season premiere!). I agree with everyone about the notable good things: the piano subplot and Vera’s car dealer style interrogation. The Jeffries/Vera exchange left me all worried: What's wrong with my car? Nothing, if you like being single.I hope Vera and Toni are still together. There hasn’t been a single mention of her this season. Overall the cases lack a bit of emotion this season. The fun interactions and the non conventional investigations were compensating but the last two episodes sure didn’t. I would go for something between "hated it" and "OK". This is also one of the only episode I can recall where they actually had several actors speak with the "Philly Accent" to some degree or another. Did any of you find it hard to understand and follow? I'm curious of what people thought about the accent, especially you European fans. I noticed the accent but that didn’t bother me. I could understand what was said and the overall meaning, even with my poor car and financing vocabulary. I needed to look up K-car, down payment, trade-in… I still can’t find what’s a pound worth (not that it mattered to follow the episode, I’m just curious). I pegged Oscar as the doer right away simply because Arye Gross was the only actor I recognized from anywhere. Weird thing, I didn’t notice that character at all on the first viewing… In every flashbacks there were tons of characters and it was hard to remember who was who. On the second viewing, it was the opposite, I could see Oscar everywhere! One thing I'm curious about, I notice the role of the dealership manager Mickey was played by two men with the surname "Dobson", Kevin (Mickey '08) and Peter ('81). Kevin Dobson is famous for playing Crocker in "Kojack" and Mack in "Knots Landing" so I initially thought he might be the doer! Anyway, I'm wondering if they are father and son? No idea if they are related but I couldn’t associate one with another. Maybe it was the hair: it’s weird that the younger version had them black and straight and the older brown and slightly curly. |
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Post by boxman on Nov 7, 2008 7:48:31 GMT -5
Boxman: Yea i was going to ask if those accents sounded authentic i noticed they were "trying" but not being a east coast dweller..i have no clue how bad or good it was I thought for the most part Donna and both Paulas sounded like they could be from Philly, with the tendency to sound a lot like they're from South Philly. The 2008 Paula really had that sound, pronouncing words such as "really" as "weelly", and "Corolla" as "Cowolla". The younger Mikey Thompson and the older salesmen (from both '81 and '08) also had accents that sounded like they could be from the area too. I really liked the younger Mikey Thompson's animated gestures whenever he talked. I thought that added the "final touch" to his speaking and accent. Like BeldaSnoop says, the accents evolve, and so there's no one single "accent" that runs across the area. I feel there's enough differences to the accent's sound from people in different neighborhoods and people who have different ethnic backgrounds, so generally, it's probably easy to get an acceptable Philly accent. I do cringe when I hear actors attempt a Chicago accent. That one is very unique and unless you're from there (like me), you'll never hit it right. Ha ha... You folks are pretty "isolated" from other large cities, so I guess that's why it has evolved on its own there? |
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Post by Electrophile on Nov 7, 2008 12:55:18 GMT -5
Basically. It's not your standard Midwestern accent, but it's not an "Eastern" accent either. Find a clip of Mayor Daley speaking. That's what it sounds like.
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Post by elodieusa on Nov 10, 2008 15:10:02 GMT -5
Personally I enjoyed this episode. I think it was actually very nice to be case concentrated, and I had sympathy for Donna. I also very much liked the scenes between Lilly and the daughter. It was more of a "your mom could have been there" feeling than a "your mom was a failure"...
For me it seems that the compassion and the understanding between the two was well portrayed.
The Nick interrogation was not only well done it also made me remember that Vera was also a very good detective, it reminded me of Cold Case Season 1 for some reason.
And the scene towards the end of the three detectives looking appreciatively at the car ;-) Boys will be boys...
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This is also one of the only episode I can recall where they actually had several actors speak with the "Philly Accent" to some degree or another. Did any of you find it hard to understand and follow? I'm curious of what people thought about the accent, especially you European fans.
The rest of the season was really good.
I was getting bored at the first half of the show, then I fell asleep.. So I missed the other half and the ending. 
