Ep. 5.10 Justice

[bethanywood]

I liked this episode, although did anyone get the feeling it was the brother all along? I didn't think of the brother at first but it wasn't until the 2007 version of the brother kept on shushing his sister? I mean if she didn't do it, why the drama? Also, is it possible to have your own brother as a lawyer? Wouldn't that be conflict of interest?

[krystalnjoeysmom]

I really liked this episode. I kinda had an idea it was the brother, but you can never be sure.

[Naj]

krystalnjoeysmom!

bethanywood Also, is it possible to have your own brother as a lawyer? Wouldn't that be conflict of interest?

Maybe shows why Jimmy ended up becoming a lawyer when all is found out.

[riche]

Whilst getting caps of Lilly for another thread I spotted these two things and I thought you might be interested in seeing them.

The first shows the shot from the CCTV footage that showed one of the women near the cemetary. Notice the date.




The 2nd is a shot from the girl's diary.

[babyv16]

Wow. This episode is definitely my new fave of the season (so far). ;D

I loved the case. It had lots of twists and turns that I didn't see coming, but then again I'm not good at predicting any episode... lol. The brother...I did notice he was sort of pushy in the interrogation room the first interview, but I shrugged that off because I took that as typical lawyer behavior.

The case was so relatable (sp?). Not that I've been through that, believe me, but you could feel the girls' pain and confusion about what was going on. They knew what happened to them, and they knew it was wrong, but ignored it because what a friend or family member said. But, of course that feeling went away as well because they confronted him, and had planned to kill him.

Pealee I totally agree with you about being raped, and then being told to just lock your doors. Not right at all. So it makes sense that one victim killed herself; no one would listen to her.

Lilly!!! OMG she worries me. Nightmares, sleeping on the daybed, not in her own...she needs to tell someone about what is happening, or she will go crazy. She should take her own advice that she gave the rape victims...tell someone or it will get worse.

And all the jokes about Will....classic!!! ;D

Awesome ep! ;D

[krystalnjoeysmom]

naj said:

krystalnjoeysmom!

Thank you!

[pealee]

I rewatched this ep again. And all the scenes with Vera still cracked me up. The one where he pretends to knock at Jefferies desk. Hilarious. And when Kat and him are going at it and he says something about chasing and Kat's like you ain't chasing me nowhere(something to that affect) I cracked up.

BabyV16-Lilly scares me too! She is self destucting. And the team notices but no one is doing anything about it to help her. I really hope we see more of her before there are no more eps left!

[coldcasegirl]

Whoa, I had to watch this 2 times just to remember what all I wanted to say on here! (like pealee said )

That was one of the best eps I have EVER seen, and not just of the season, I mean of ALL the seasons!

The nightmare @ first came as a total shock and my mouth DROPPED open.
Then it was a little funny that Lilly was trying to lie to Scotty and he was like "you mean tequila?" Oh yeah and her comeback was PRICELESS: "I don't make 'em, I just drink 'em." And now if I was Scotty I'd be wonderin why in the HECK she would be drinking any drops of alcohol after her mom just died from it! But of course, you know he knows she is totally lying.

And then Vera, ohhhh Vera. There are NOT enough words to explain his contribution to the humor AND mean-ness in this ep. Loved it when he pretended to knock on Jefferies' invisible door ;D, but I coulda slapped him across his face for telling Lilly that she was wasting his time! He was having major "character swings" during this ep! (instead of "mood swings" )

And I have to commend Jefferies for trying to keep everything and everyone together, but RIGHT when he told Lilly to go home I was like, uhh.....NO! Made me right mad! I know he was trying to bring some peace, but Lil was NOT the one to be yelling at!

I'm very glad they had Stillman in the ep instead of him just disappearing until he makes a hopeful return. And the way he was talkin to Jefferies about not coming back got me REAL upset! He DOES NOT need to leave! And you could totally tell Lilly already wants him back when she said "and counting the minutes..." at the beginning! And he very much deserves a pat on the back for telling Will that Lilly has good instincts and to let her follow them. LOVED IT!! ;D

And as for LILLY: Oh my GOODNESS! She's got it real rough. First with the nightmares, and then having to relive thinking about them as she interviewed the women (mainly Tessie). But she TRIED to stick it out, and act like she was "ok" when Scotty gave her that look after Tessie and her brother stormed out of the inter. room. **My mouth again completely almost fell to the floor when she looked straight @ Scotty and had to double take before she scurried away so he couldn't talk to her.
And after she came out of the interview with Tessie is what made me MOST mad. Vera and Jefferies told her good work, when EVERYONE knows that she doesn't want to hear it! Then when Kat was drillin' her on why she was so interested in the case and why she cared so much is what really got me. Usually she's trying to help defend Lil a little, but Scotty was about the only one being nice to her, but only by not saying hardly ANYTHING.
And I give Lilly HUGE props for turning the little brother's story into innocence. Glad Jefferies turned off the intercom, too. She totally ROCKED OUT in this ep!

---I also don't know if anyone posted this OR noticed this. But throughout the WHOLE ep, Lilly was hoarse in pretty much every scene. Guess it must have been either more of a Kathryn thing, or a Lilly thing with her not getting much sleep. <<< as for if it was for the Lilly reason, I felt it went along well, but she seemed kinda pitiful. Of course she still ROCKED, no matter what she sounded like! ;D

I loved the music in the ep, too, as well as the case, if it wasn't apparent. (which I don't think it was, so I'm not really being sarcastic ) Anyways I think this has to be the MOST I have written about an ep, so that should tell you SOMETHING! ;D ;D

[TVFan]

Great observations about Veena's writing, LillyKat. She always brings those "old school" CC moments back and I love her for that.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I thought that Kathryn/Lilly looked REALLY pretty in this episode. Not that she's not usually, but she just takes so much slack for her looks that I thought I'd point out how good she looked in this one. She was really rockin' the make-up and hair and I found myself admiring how beautiful she is throughout the episode.

[CC Fan]

I thought this episode was amazing... until the very end. I just could not find it plausible that after all that Lilly had pushed and pushed to find the killer, she ends up helping him. It just seemed totally out of character and the fact that they all just let her do it really bothered me. While i understand what the boy did was justified, it wasn't his place to take the law into his own hands. I've seen previous episodes where the killing was far more justified yet the person is still arrested... just seemed outta character for the show.

Besides the ending though, I found the episode to be quite good and very well acted. I felt bad for Lilly and I'm glad that Scotty really took notice of her behavior, because she is def. on the edge.

[boxman]

The ending made me think of a story about a friend, his girlfriend, and their experience with the Philly PD:

A few years ago, a friend of mine and his girlfriend were drinking at a bar in Northwest Philadelphia. A bar in suburban Chestnut Hill, if I recall correctly. They lived in town, and one of the roads they needed to take back home was Lincoln Drive. Probably over 95% of Philly's roads run straight because they're laid out in a grid pattern; but Lincoln Drive is one of the few that's twisted because it runs through a valley in Fairmont Park, alongside a creek.

The girlfriend was driving that night. Her car was a sports sedan that her mom and grandfather bought together in the early nineties. The girlfriend was given the car when her mom decided to buy another car; and because her grandfather had passed away by then, the sedan held special memories for her.

So we all know that drinking and driving don't mix... And it didn't that night either. While driving down Lincoln Drive, a concrete dividing wall 'magically' appeared in front of the car, completely and totally damaging the front end of the sedan along with most of the engine. It shouldn't take anyone too much imagination to figure out how hysterical the girlfriend was at having such an important keepsake of her grandfather destroyed. And of course, the buzz from alcohol didn't help her keep control of her emotions either. So while my friend and his girlfriend were lucky enough to be uninjured from the crash, they probably were 'unlucky' that there's a police substation located right on Lincoln Drive. It wasn't long before two police officers were at the scene.

Again, she was in hysterics -- in complete "Denial City" that the car was beyond repair. How could she be the cause of the crash?? Of course, it was the concrete divider that suddenly shifted, wasn't it?? She insisted the officers write a report so she could file a claim with her insurance company and have her car restored. (I heard that she was even talking out loud about suing the city for installing concrete barriers that move around; but that seemed more like a bad rumor...)

Well, I guess my friend and his girlfriend seemed like good folk to the cops, because the police refused to write up the report. If the officers went 'by the books' and were to write a report, they'd have to administer blood-alcohol content (BAC) tests and record their findings. It was clear to them that she shouldn't have been driving. It was also clear that this was a one-car accident with no major injuries to anyone, nor any property damage to anything other than the car. The officers (along with my friend), tried as they could to convince her the car was a total loss, to forget the police report, to forget about suing the city ( ), and to pay a tow truck cash to haul her vehicle away. As much as the car meant something to her and she wanted to file a claim, the officers knew it was better for her not to be tested for alcohol--It almost certainly would prove her negligence, she'd be taken in to court, maybe have points added against her license, and she'd definitely have to start paying a bigger insurance premium. Maybe worst of all, if her BAC was over the limits, they'd have to immediately jail her. My friend eventually was able to convince her that they both should have the vehicle towed away immediately while the officers were willing to turn away.

The tow driver put her car in front of their house, where it stood for several weeks accumulating parking tickets. As she could not let go of the crumpled and unrepairable car on her own, my friend secretly had the car towed to the junkyard by another friend, while claiming to her the city got tired of writing tickets and towed it away...

[coldcasegirl]

@ TVFan, I also noticed Lilly/Kathryn looked very pretty and well-kept in this ep. And you're so right about her taking all the slack with her hair and all, so I'm glad she has the look to show all those "other" people that she can make ANY hairstyle work, and any makeup for that matter

[pealee]

CCFan-I didn't think it was at all out of character for the show or for Lilly to do what she did in the end. And if they had arrested him he would probably have gotten off as he was a minor.

[Naj]

I'm guessing she did it for Tess. Which makes me wonder if in real life some people get off due to the detective transposing their own personal problems on those associated with the case. It's really makes me wonder.

Glad to see you are watching the show again.

admin said:

I thought this episode was amazing... until the very end. I just could not find it plausible that after all that Lilly had pushed and pushed to find the killer, she ends up helping him. It just seemed totally out of character and the fact that they all just let her do it really bothered me. While i understand what the boy did was justified, it wasn't his place to take the law into his own hands. I've seen previous episodes where the killing was far more justified yet the person is still arrested... just seemed outta character for the show.

Besides the ending though, I found the episode to be quite good and very well acted. I felt bad for Lilly and I'm glad that Scotty really took notice of her behavior, because she is def. on the edge.

[KathrynFan]

im late to the party i only saw this ep this morning but i love it , it's the whole reason why i watch is show,

i was really happy that they decided to do that at the end i remeber they were going to do that as well with the boys that murdered there swim coach as well, i really liked this episode, im going to be a bit sad id stillman dosent come back he is the whole reason the team stays sane and dosent try to kill each other. hopefuly he will change his mind and come back

[toddsmitts]

Not at all what I expected but a fine episode nonetheless.

While not unheard of, it's truly rare for the show to have such an unsympathetic "victim" (for lack of a better term). Because of this, I thought, before it aired, perhaps it would revealed to all be a mistake; that someone else had raped those girls and somehow set up Mike as the fall guy. Clearly that wasn't the case. Quite a departure from the last victim named Mike.

The revelation of who killed Mike was no surprise whatsoever. I saw it coming a mile off. Frankly I really don't have a problem, in this case at least, with detectives spinning the story so Jimmy was acting in self defense. Vera and Jeffries were understandably surprised to see Lilly doing this, though they looked the other way regarding a murder too, in "A Perfect Day". That one happened to also be someone who killed a very bad man to protect someone he loved.

[coldcasegirl]

Wow, yeah so I totally just noticed that at the cemetery scene when Lilly hands her cup off to Scotty, it goes to another shot and we see him drinking out of her cup! I was like AW! You know if she didn't want him doing it she'd be like "What the HECK are you doin'" ;D But she wasn't ;D I just thought it was TOO sweet

& I looked around to see if anyone else had noticed, but I only scanned, so my apologies if I am late to posting this

[00bomber]

lillykat said:

I was pleasantly surprised given sometimes this show tends to be painstakingly slow on getting to the crux of the issue with its main character. I didn’t feel this as much in the first two seasons, but the last couple have at times been way too convoluted for me. Sometimes, I really don’t want to wade through four layers of subtext. Sometimes, I just want it to be out there, blatantly obvious and showing us the raw true colors of the character. I still do feel Lilly coming to terms with the shooting is progressing at a snail’s pace, but I did like the obvious parallels between her being haunted and the rape victims being haunted.

Excellent ep.

You're right about the show being very slow when it comes to personal lives of the characters but I think it has to do with the fact that this shows main focus is not really the main characters. Its sposed to be cases first characters second, although Lilly does make the show in a sense the cases are more important (afterall the show is called Cold Case). I think the way they have tied the personal stuff in with the cases has been really clever lately. To be honest I've never really had a problem with how they tie everything together as its good to have a show that is not like most others that focus mainly on characters.

Anyways, the episode was one of the better ones they've done in a while, some of you say you picked who the killer was early but I couldn't (but I don't think I ever have anyway....). The stuff with Scotty and Lilly at the start was interesting, I think its sorta funny that she'd honestly think they'd believe she was getting tiffed everynight, which is why Scotty is not worried. I guess she'd rather them think that though than them knowing she can't sleep coz she can't handle what happened.

[KathrynFan]

coldcasegirl said:

Wow, yeah so I totally just noticed that at the cemetery scene when Lilly hands her cup off to Scotty, it goes to another shot and we see him drinking out of her cup! I was like AW! You know if she didn't want him doing it she'd be like "What the HECK are you doin'" ;D But she wasn't ;D I just thought it was TOO sweet

& I looked around to see if anyone else had noticed, but I only scanned, so my apologies if I am late to posting this

that was cool they must do it alot because i remeber seeing Lilly do that in the Pilot ep with the Bosses Coffee as well

[coldcasegirl]

kathrynfan said:

that was cool they must do it alot because i remeber seeing Lilly do that in the Pilot ep with the Bosses Coffee as well

hmm...I'll be keeping a look out from now on then....