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Post by TVFan on Oct 9, 2007 22:50:48 GMT -5
CBS hasn't sent out a press release yet, so here's a summary from TV Guide:
The team re-open the case of an unidentified woman who dies after being in a coma since she was shot in 1989.
I will post the official release once it's made available.
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Post by Naj on Oct 21, 2007 21:00:00 GMT -5
What a packed hour that was! I just want to give a shout out to longislanditalian2......We got Lilly in the ponytail and we even got a reference to pigtails!Lilly to Scotty: "The only thing you didn't do is pull her pigtails." .gif)  I'll post more tomorrow. There's was much to like about this episode.  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 21, 2007 21:07:26 GMT -5
I liked this episode so much, at the beginning I liked how they showed Lilly dreaming about her in the hospital and how she woke up scared and breathless. Kathryn did such a good job with that. One thing I noticed was that Lilly was thinking about her own mother when talking to spencer, I think she does miss her a lot.
Scotty and ADA Thomas, somehow i kinda had a feeling that was coming. Although I am a shipper at heart, there's just something off about this relationship. Only one questioned remained how come he isn't so protective over Lilly especially after the shooting. it's just odd.
The stakeout was funny also, At first I didn't see that it was acutally Scotty in the cemetary . Kat and Vera are cute together; , but itwas funny how Lilly made up the story about loosing her husband only to realize she had been caught in a lie when Spencer informed her that the guy had died in the 40's.
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Post by coldfan74 on Oct 21, 2007 21:13:06 GMT -5
I liked this episode..i thought it was better than any of the episodes thus far this season.
story was twisted in each flashback. never saw the mom-son con connection coming.
and i really liked the psychological angle with spencer's relationship with his mom..despite how twisted it was, still need each other.just like how it affected lilly with her mom. i like how lily always shows empathy whenever the people she interrogates has some similarities to her own life.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Oct 21, 2007 22:13:39 GMT -5
I liked this episode alot better than last week's. There were a couple of funny scenes in this episode, including the part where Lilly talks about her husband, and 'Spence' mentions him being really old, since he died in 1941. Oh, and...Bow wow chika bow wow!!! |
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Post by TVFan on Oct 21, 2007 22:19:54 GMT -5
I LOVED this one -- definitely an "excellent" from me. The case had me hanging on its every moment. The twists and turns were amazing. Definitely the best twist-y episode in CC's history. I'm still in shock over the mother/son thing. I had no idea. I loved how everything worked out even when things seemed so confusing. It made sense in the end, the killer was plausible, and the story unfolded naturally. Overall, a very strong case. LOVED the cemetery stake-out. Vera and Kat are just hilarious. I love them working together and I hope this trend continues. At first, I was a little annoyed that Lil wasn't a part of the action, but she showed up just in time. Thought she had conned the conman too. Loved when he called her out on it ("You like older men, detective? 'Cause your husband died in 1942."). Lil gave that "you got me" smile. Had she only known that he was standing at his mother's grave, she could have played that one off much easier. Lots of S1 goodness in this one -- Spencer calling Lil's cell, Lil finding him at the hotel after solving his name mystery, Stillman and Lil teasing Scotty and so on. I was happy to see more fallout from Lil's shooting. She's now having nightmares, so maybe the next counseling session will be a little less quiet. Fingers crossed, anyway. This wasn't one of those powerful, moving episodes that I usually latch onto, but it had that unmistakable charm of season one mixed in with a compelling, twist-filled case that made it stand out for me. Awesome hour! Loved everything about it from the case to the humor to Lilly's increased involvement and personal development. Bravo, CC gang!!  I'll have more thoughts and a few caps at PTR tomorrow. |
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Post by irishkale on Oct 21, 2007 23:10:25 GMT -5
Great episode! They did a good job of peppering the main character's "side threads" throughout the main story.
I also liked that they had an interesting, complex "main bad guy." Reminded me a little of the "cat and mouse" games of the Lilly/George episodes from season 2.
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Post by koufax on Oct 22, 2007 10:20:25 GMT -5
I thought this episode could compete with some of the ones from season one and two. I liked the dialogue between the detectives and thought the plot was excelent
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Post by boxman on Oct 22, 2007 11:55:15 GMT -5
I really liked this episode. The "Sabrina" reference perked my ears. Just like last week, there's also another strong female character who went through therapy with good results in this episode. Again, I take this to be very likely a foreshadowing for a good outcome to Lilly's own therapy.
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Post by LillyKat on Oct 22, 2007 13:27:29 GMT -5
Ditto to just about everything TVFan said.  I am not sure if I have ever used the word cool to describe a CC ep, but I thought this ep was just that. It was billed as sort of a "hot" episode, and I actually think it was. Seemed it was a bit sexier, a little more pace, excitement, unpredictability. It didn't fit the usual CC bill (of random clue, here's the box, here's the old witnesses/suspects, and doh! it's the neighbor ... LOL!). I really enjoyed the very unpredictable storyline on this ep. Twists, turns, roundabouts, all sorts of stuff that was mixed in, up and around; I had no idea who was going to end up being the doer, and the whole "modern day Bonnie and Clyde" promo/trailer thing completely hid the mother/son connection! Brilliant. I also had S1 James/Lilly and S2 George/Lilly flashbacks when Spencer called Lilly on her cell phone. Seeing as I still think those two character dynamics were the best of the series (followed closely by John Doe in "One Night"), I loved this throwback. This episode looked to have been written by a new writer (Christopher Silber), and I thought he continued the thread of getting back to the interpersonal action amongst the detectives really well. Lots of good dialogue between the gang. I am really loving that everyone does not sound like a bunch of detective robots this season. LOL! They sound like they work together, know each other, joke with each other. Vera is once again master of the little comedic moments. I may be one of the few folks who actually likes ADA Thomas, and the fact she's kind of tough, no-nonsense and doesn't seem to be a push over. This works well against Scotty overly-agro-rig-a-ma-role. So, I didn't mine seeing them hook-up. The only thing that seemed a little off was only having one scene referencing Lilly's nightmares. Now, I did love this was included in the opening, and referenced as she showed up a little haggard to the crime scene (with ponytail! ), but it seems like it got dropped after that. Normally, we have sort of that "second" reference somewhere in the episode from something that was in the opener, but that didn't happen on this one. Perhaps this is just a very slow reveal, and that's OK. I continue to be very grateful they are DEALING with the after-effects of the shooting this season. Cool episode. |
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Post by littlelaura1992 on Oct 22, 2007 14:30:53 GMT -5
Wow I LOVED this episode! What a story! I couldn't believe that Spencer was Margot's son! That was such a weird relationship that they had!  Vera in stakeout was so funny! Oh my god, what is he like! Ha! And Kat looked genuinely surprised when the magic trick actually worked. I must admit, I was too. I thought he was going to mess it up! That would have been funny! I also have to admit that I prefer Lilly's hair down. I don't really know why but it was only down in this season at the very beginning and then after that, she tied it up all the time. It was nice to see a bit of a change. It was so funny when Spencer caught her out! But I must admit that the idea of having someone go to the grave first and then run away to distract the team was really clever. ;D I cracked up when I saw Scotty in those overall things in the graveyard! Oh he looked so funny putting flowers in a wheelbarrow!  And although I hated the thought of it...Scotty and the ADA is growing on me! I was like 'Noooooooo!!  ' when I first heard about it but now just to see that kind of awkward reaction on Scotty's face... It had me in stitches! Oh and when he threw the chair!!!--1. I got a fright! (Do not listen to it with earphones in your ears and the volume up VERY loud ) and 2. Woah! Scotty's unpredictability had me shocked ;D Also...at the very beginning, I always watch the credits just to see who I know and I spotted the name 'Daphne Ashbrook' and I was like 'I know that name from somewhere!' and I stared at the screen for ages until I finally realised who it was! She was the older version of Kylie! Who also plays Ryan's mom in The OC!!! Well..you can imagine...that after all that, I was a very happy bunny! |
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Post by riche on Oct 22, 2007 16:35:04 GMT -5
I've given it a "best of season", though it seems a little unfair after so few of them. I wasn't sure what you guys would make of it, and I was a little concerned the tide might go against it because it was quite different from the norm. Looks like you felt the same way. I have to echo much of what was said already. The episode felt more like an thriller and less like a run of the mill question person A, person B gets mentioned, question person B etc. etc. I had no idea of whodunnit. I did begin to wonder, after it was said the maid looked like Margo, that they might be doing another person swap. Maybe the body in the hospital was the maid. The fake grave visitor was clever, though I shouted at Scotty for calling his name way to early. You'd let him get near the grave, to ensure you had the right guy, get closer to him and then surround him. Not shout his name from dozens of feet away giving him chance to run off. Not sure about the Scotty/ADA Thomas (we should probably start using her first name now, now she's been "initiated/hazed" by Scotty) thing. From the moment they started "arguing" on the street it was "on". The more I see Scotty the more I think that him and Lilly would be a bad idea. They might be good friends but him and her as an "us"?, not so much. Are we seeing the beginnings of a spark between Nick and Kat? And to round such things off there was something of a spark between Lilly and Spencer? "What about Prince Charming?" Looks like they are dripping feeding us the Lilly problem storyline. Clever lead from the "robbery" stamp, a follow-up clue she still wasn't dead, to the hospital lights and to Lilly. All out of breath like that. Oh my!  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 22, 2007 18:02:33 GMT -5
Two things I noticed
- After Lilly wakes up from the nightmare it appears she is sleeping on the daybed instead of in her own bed.
- At the Cemetary, as she is talking to Spencer; it's apparent that Lilly is wearing a skirt right before the rest of the team comes to arrest him.
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Post by myril on Oct 23, 2007 13:34:48 GMT -5
Hm, reading the commentaries I start to wonder if I've seen a different cut of the episode.
The case didn't catch my attention before the mother-son twist came up. If it hadn't been for some nice cast moments and especially the "clash" between Scotty and ADA Thomas I might have fallen asleep during the first part of the episode. The twist was interesting, making you wonder a little more, if it actually had been her or the girlfriend on the street, though the end was no big surprise then. Don't always have to be a surprise. But what I missed a little were strong feelings. Okay, he was a conman, so maybe never learnt what true feelings are, but still.
The higlights of this episode for me:
- Lilly's nightmare, interesting and a nice cutting. So, anyone with ideas, why she is dreaming particular about this?
- the scene with Kat and Vera waiting at the cemetery. LOL But there is a little spark between them
- Scotty and ADA Thomas: Despite that I missed a chemistry in this scene, it had been there before. And still think it's very interesting, how Scotty will deal with such a woman, she is different from others he had before.
But all in all this episode was just an ok one for me.
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Post by Naj on Oct 23, 2007 17:55:55 GMT -5
Hi myril,
I'll bite. I do feel the same about the case. It was the other things going on with the cast that kept me interested until the twist came up but it was still a good episode and I gave it a Good rating.
I'm guessing Lilly's heart stopped and they were calling her name. So---she recalls a near death experience maybe coming up? And what she saw.
Yes, I like what they are doing with Kat and Vera. Also having Lilly and Kat do some interrogations together. So is sumthin going to happen romantically between Vera and Kat?
The kiss was like cardboard. It didn't do anything for me and I too didn't feel the chemistry I felt was happening last season. Don't care about it really going there. I liked it better when they just clashed with no attraction. So I don't know where they'll go with it now that they've changed the dynamic of what I felt was attractive.
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Post by coldfan74 on Oct 24, 2007 1:01:22 GMT -5
sounds like basically the both of you really watch cold case mostly for the occasional glimpse of the personal lives of the starring characters and little else. what i noticed consistently in most episode threads, youre dissatisfied unless lilly gets a new love life or whatever. the whole lily-kite thing for example, was the biggest endless tired discussion in most season 1 threads and then again involving some other love interest in season 2 and 3 threads.
its just my opinion but from my observation, the criticism draws mostly because of the character storylines or lack of but rarely about the case storylines.
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Post by myril on Oct 24, 2007 3:51:34 GMT -5
sounds like basically the both of you really watch cold case mostly for the occasional glimpse of the personal lives of the starring characters and little else. what i noticed consistently in most episode threads, youre dissatisfied unless lilly gets a new love life or whatever. the whole lily-kite thing for example, was the biggest endless tired discussion in most season 1 threads and then again involving some other love interest in season 2 and 3 threads. its just my opinion but from my observation, the criticism draws mostly because of the character storylines or lack of but rarely about the case storylines. Can't speak for Naj, just for myself, but cases and personal story are as important to me. There are several episodes I like just because of the case. Though I agree, a lot of critism of many people, good or bad critisism, about the show draws from the character storylines or lack of it, especially about the development of Lilly. Think a lot of fans are fans because of the characters, so no surprise. And unlike the cases, the character storylines are something to talk about from episode to episode. But it's simple, in this episode the case didn't catch much of my attention. That's why I ranked it only ok. Yeah, the twists in the second half made it more interesting, but I still don't see the excellence in it. Maybe because I couldn't buy the mother-son thing when looking at the 2 in the flashbacks. Maybe I missed a dramatic or intellectual challenge to figure out the motive and doer. Okay, wasn't so sure about the doer, but it was to me obvious, a mix of longing for freedom (so to speak), tangled feelings and a bit of greed. I found there were still a lot of predictable klischees in it. And the characters didn't make much of an impression on me. Maybe they wanted to keep them sort of stiff and artificial, but I couldn't help it and saw more actors/actresses than characters. And I personally think, when a story doesn't manage to draw me in, make me forget a little, that I'm just watching a tv-show, it's not an excellent story. Unless it's on purpose to create a certain distance, making things absurd and thus alienating us with our own world, like Absurd Theater intends to do. But I doubt, that is something CC ever wants to offer. |
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Post by 00bomber on Oct 24, 2007 5:34:29 GMT -5
Pretty clever episode its good to see something different occasionaly. Also it actually scared teh sh1t out of me when Margot was in the hospital after shed been shot and she looked at the maid girl (sorry can't remember her name), her eye was practically bulging out it was freaky!
Good episode in general, I'll have to rewatch it though coz I think I missed some stuff.
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Post by Naj on Oct 24, 2007 9:14:44 GMT -5
No I don't watch the eps for the occasional glimpses of personal stuff. First off I'm not a fan of Scotty Valen's personal life. And even in Season Three I believe I gave Beautiful Little Fool a lower rating because the case was bad even though Lilly had a great side story with her mother. I feel the cases are the crux of the show and thus why I gave that Devil ep the stinker award last week. If the case had been great on Thick As Thieves I would have given it an Excellent or Best of Season but it only received a good for me giving credit to part of the case that was good. I really can't speak as to how others are giving their ratings. Also Lilly has to be in the ep predominately for me to give the higher rating Excellent and Best of because she's the reason I watch the show. But even with Lilly be heavy on in the case - the case has to be really good to count as superior. sounds like basically the both of you really watch cold case mostly for the occasional glimpse of the personal lives of the starring characters and little else. what i noticed consistently in most episode threads, youre dissatisfied unless lilly gets a new love life or whatever. the whole lily-kite thing for example, was the biggest endless tired discussion in most season 1 threads and then again involving some other love interest in season 2 and 3 threads. its just my opinion but from my observation, the criticism draws mostly because of the character storylines or lack of but rarely about the case storylines. |
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Post by TVFan on Oct 24, 2007 9:30:29 GMT -5
For me, it's a mix of different things. The best episodes have a lot of Lilly involvement, a strong, moving case and some good personal development. Primarily, I watch the show for Lilly. She's my favorite character on television and I enjoy watching her personal and professional growth, struggles, happiness, etc. She's a fascinating character with so many unexplored layers. They could base the show entirely on her life and I would be happy. But, there are so many other strong elements to this show -- cases, supporting characters, music, art direction and cinematography, etc. -- that make the show far superior to others on television (certainly leaps and bounds above every other regular season crime drama). So, I watch the show for Lilly first, but the other elements have to be there in order to make it work. With this episode, everything fell into place for me. The case was different, surprising, well executed; Lilly had a huge chunk of the story; and they even threw in a nice personal tidbit with the nightmares. To quote LillyKat, this was a very "cool" episode. |
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' when I first heard about it but now just to see that kind of awkward reaction on Scotty's face... 
