The Reverend Bizarre
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 6, 2009 7:03:11 GMT -5
I actually thought of the water = womb symbol when you posted that image of Lilly in her car, unconscious. Apparently she'll be rescued. So in my mind, what we have is Lilly in the water (womb) then she'll be rescued - (taken out of the "womb") and thus be "reborn"
I dunno.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 6, 2009 7:16:22 GMT -5
I actually thought of the water = womb symbol when you posted that image of Lilly in her car, unconscious. Apparently she'll be rescued. So in my mind, what we have is Lilly in the water (womb) then she'll be rescued - (taken out of the "womb") and thus be "reborn" You could be right Rev, but perhaps we'll see the flashbacks when she's in the hospital. At least it appears that she isn't hurt, but needs oxygen. More likely she be fine, Lilly's going to need a lot of support afterwards. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 6, 2009 14:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by eduardodelroice on May 6, 2009 14:39:55 GMT -5
Video not available in my country. I really hate when they do that |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 6, 2009 14:52:10 GMT -5
Go to CBS.com and click on Cold Case there's a preview there as well
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Post by eduardodelroice on May 6, 2009 15:11:42 GMT -5
Go to CBS.com and click on Cold Case there's a preview there as well I tried, those videos are blocked too |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 6, 2009 15:27:16 GMT -5
I'll keep on searching, hopefully I'll find the promo that I saw on Cbs.com
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Post by eduardodelroice on May 6, 2009 15:56:57 GMT -5
Thanks LII2
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Post by Gina on May 6, 2009 21:13:40 GMT -5
Could be that and Lilly being at the bottom of the river= into the blue. That's what I was saying.  |
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The Reverend Bizarre
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 6, 2009 21:41:35 GMT -5
Wow. I just saw that promo and I actually got chills watching it.
Who else besides me thinks that Lilly is hallucinating at the end of the promo?
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Post by Gina on May 6, 2009 21:49:45 GMT -5
I think so too. |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 6, 2009 23:02:41 GMT -5
Okay this is going to bug me unless I post it. I read in the TV Guide article that one of the songs they'd be using would be "Once" and it'd be used during a flashback where Lilly's riding her bicycle.
These are some of the lyrics to the song.
I admit it, what's to say? Yeah
I'll relive it without pain, mmm
Back street lover on the side of the road
I got a bomb in my temple that is gonna explode
I got a sixteen gauge buried under my clothes
I play
Once
Upon a time
I could control myself
Ooh, once
Upon a time
I could lose myself
Yeah
Oh, try and mimic what's insane, eh
I am in it, where do I stand? Uh
Indian summer and I hate the heat
I got a back street lover on the passenger seat
I got my hand in my pocket, so determined, discreet
I pray
All I can think is. Wow! That's very subtle and relates to Lilly in every single way.
Okay. I know I know. They used the song mainly for the first lyric but still.
*rant over*
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The Reverend Bizarre
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 7, 2009 4:54:33 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post. (Caution: Detailed speculative theory ahead.) I was writing in my insanejournal about my thoughts of the promo. It was then that I remembered the arcana of the Tarot, known as 'The Tower'. The Tower is quite possibly the 'worst' card in the deck; the worst of the arcana. The Devil? No, that only represents how we can be chained to temptation but, how easily we can escape it. Death? That just represents a change and, it's not as bad as the Tower. The Tower, however, represents destruction. In the arcana story (which everyone goes through) the Tower represents the moment in a person's life in which everything they have built up is destroyed. Now to relate this to Lilly. For this speculative theory I'll be using the H.G. Giger version of the arcana. I choose to use it because while still being esoteric, it's not as convulted as some of the other versions. XVI - The Tower Self Expression: "I Destroy" Principles: The illusion of matter Repressed Sodom and Gomorrha or Baghdad razed by bombs (the repressed Tower is a parallel for "just" destruction and shows the compensated ruler)Compensated The Tower of Babel or trumpets of Jericho one of the first meanings of compensated is "to offset; counter balance" But, this is the repressed tower and it parallels "just" destruction and 'shows the compensated ruler'. In this case Lilly IS the compensated ruler; the offset ruler of her life. As a detective she also has the privilege of giving "just" destruction. Aspects: No matter how some may feel, Lilly is a very unbalanced individual. See, balanced people do things like cry, get angry, etc when something happens to them. Everytime something bad happens to Lilly she just adds a new layer around the wall around her. If my hunch is correct the crash into the river will be the start of the destruction of Lilly's wall; and the scene in the interrogation/observation room will represent the actual destruction of Lilly's self made walls. And only then through this destruction can Lilly be balanced. The final part of this talks about the destruction of the ego aka "the house of the Devil" and the birth of the higher self aka "the house of God". In Lilly's case I'm going to say that the ego in this case is her super-ego; the part of the self that drives for perfection, moral absolution. The part of the self that controls the sense of right and wrong and guilt. It is also the part of us that prohibits and criticizes our fantasies, drives, feelings, and actions. It's as if Lilly's super-ego is dominant and this is the reason why she won't cry except in extremely rare cases. (come to think of it, this could be a possible reason why she has problems staying with men.) As for the ego/super-ego representing the house of the Devil; I'm going out on a limb and saying that in this case the Devil represents the Satan of the Old Testament. The agent of God sent to test the faith of God's people; because satan is Hebrew for 'adversary'. The super-ego is the adversary against the id and the ego. The higher self would therefore represent Lilly as a balanced individual. Short FormulaUrge Renewal, destruction of form The Tower seeks to both destroy Lilly, and renew her. Motivation Chaos and revolution as natural order (whoever seeks to hinder destruction becomes a prisoner of the tower) Remember the bit about the super-ego? The id is known as chaos. Id and chaos are perfectly natural things. The Tower is motivated to show Lilly that chaos and revolution (id and ego) are a part of the natural order. Lilly, however, seeks to hinder this destruction and becomes a prisoner of her own walls. Light Breaking open encrustations and karmic knowledge which can lead to new values (the licking flames of understanding as the sudden opening of encrustation and the accompanying destruction of old values) The greater aspects of the Tower. Should Lilly realize immediately the importance of the destruction and, the Tower, she can then gain new knowledge that will lead to new values, and destroy old values. Shadow Violence, shock, explosive force, storm, revolution, transformations, change, retaliation, outbreak of rage, shattering, blind destruction (only those who abandon themselves to darkness, open up to light!) I won't call this the lesser aspects of the Tower as the shadow is just as important as light. If Lilly sees the destruction as a bad thing then she could go through violence, shock, transformation. She could retaliate, go into blind destruction. But, this might not be such a bad thing! After all; only those who abandoned themselves to the darkness can be opened up to the light. And as William Blake once wrote: "Those who restrain desire do so because there's is weak enough to be restrained." And done. whew. alt.akron.ch/baphomet/us/cards/16.htm |
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Post by leni810 on May 7, 2009 5:23:26 GMT -5
Interesting opinion...!!
I would just say that this with the crush will make Lilly fight and will shock her again so as to reevaluate some things.
It isn't like at the shooting. She will have the chance to do something to survive and after she will apreciate again all she has. There won't be the disappointement like in s5. She has her father, her co-workers. She will finally understand it. (She has even bagan to do this during the season.) So she'll decide to open up to others and first of all to her father, that's what the flashbacks indicate.
Please can somebody put the promo on youtube in a "free" way??
Everywhere I found it it was unavailable for my geographic region...
I don't get why they do that...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 7, 2009 6:18:35 GMT -5
Gathered from what I had seen in the other promo on IMDB, I think Lilly will realize her own immortality. She's going to survive there's no doubt about that one, but she already realized From that her shrink had stated back in S5, about taking control of her life. Lilly's already a much different person and bit lighter.
The last scene in this episode according an article is with her father in the hospital together..
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Post by leni810 on May 7, 2009 7:11:06 GMT -5
Hospital?  It seems that she won't need hospital after the accident or she won't in such a bad condition to stay till the end of the episode... That would reduce her screen time too, which is unlikely... I doubt. But even it will be that way, it will be a good opposite to the last scene of s4 finale. (Even if, personnaly, I had great disagreements, back then, with all this "dying all alone thing"... Lil wasn't and isn't alone. We aren't alone when there are people around us who cares for us but we don't link to them. We want to be alone or we are afraid of being with others... This is what I hope that Lilly understands -she has began- but that she gets it this time for good and all.) |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 7, 2009 11:51:39 GMT -5
@lii2 - Though true she "lightened up" during season 5 she still had a wall around her. The shooting didn't break the wall, it just cracked it. leni810 - Well, and people might not want to believe this but, they could mean a mental hospital. The promo shows that Lilly survives the crash into the river, but it also shows that she's going to start hallucinating and flashing back. I believe that she'll have a complete break down during that scene and Stillman will have her committed. Plus it makes for a resolution should this be the last season of CC. Lilly committed. I know most people won't like the sound of that, and I'm no psychologist, but Lilly could easily have PTSD. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 7, 2009 11:57:38 GMT -5
[quote author=xuchilbara board=spoilers thread=5505 post=132981 time=1241715099Well, and people might not want to believe this but, they could mean a mental hospital. The promo shows that Lilly survives the crash into the river, but it also shows that she's going to start hallucinating and flashing back. I believe that she'll have a complete break down during that scene and Stillman will have her committed. Plus it makes for a resolution should this be the last season of CC. Lilly committed.
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I doubt that it could just be a halluncnation, because after her hysterical scene " What is going on", the scene cuts to Lilly still underneath water. I think her adreline was going so fast, that the fact that she might die all came into focus. Situations like that, she was seeing her life flashing before her eyes.
Lilly isn't going to be committed, I think she might be uncounsicous when they rescue her. Therefor, it's just her internal mind at play.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 7, 2009 12:20:10 GMT -5
Again, I'm not a psychologist, but one of the symptoms of PTSD are hallucinations and flashbacks. We see the glass in that room cracking and the water running in. Why is that? Does the killer get into the station and start flooding the room? That would be impossible; he/she wouldn't have made it that far. The only possibility then is it being a hallucination.
I think you're taking the scene a bit too literally. The cut to Lilly in the water is likely a flashback or an editing trick. We see by the promo that she's gotten out of the river.
Don't say that for sure. I acknowledge that Lilly might not be committed by saying "I think" or "I believe". Also if all that is just her internal mind at play then, great, the season finale will probably be one big dream.
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Post by leni810 on May 7, 2009 12:49:54 GMT -5
RB what do you say??!! Lil's going nuts??!! They made so much an effort to lighten up her character this year only to end with a main character with psychological problem?? It's impossible!! (Moreover the episode is written and shot long before any decision about the future of the show. And also don't forget that KM had disagreements with Lilly not going shopping. Imagine her opinion with Lil getting crazy!) The shock, the lack of oxygen, all may end up to some halucinations. The time of the hallucinations isn't the same with the actual time. (This could be even realistic!) This with the room flooding... I really doubt that in editing of the promo they put something that actually happened after something else, before that. I haven't noticed doing something like that in the old ones. Likely it's an hallucination. Her mind makes her realise what's going on. So maybe with this scream that you say she wakes up (That I have seen in the short promo.Lilly wakes up and coughs in the car.). She gets concious, she realises that nothing ended yet and she is just able to fight for her survival. She has already found hope, she has things to get clear before let it go and so "Dying isn't just a formality"... I think that Lil achieves to get out of the car on her own. The road was empty, no witnesses. (The killer should have payed attention to it.) Even if Scotty heared from the phone what happenned, he doesn't know where she is and it will take time for figuring out where she may be and for the rescue to come and find her. The river is deep and the car falls fast. She would be dead before they arrive. Ugh...I have to find that promo...  |
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It seems that she won't need hospital after the accident or she won't in such a bad condition to stay till the end of the episode... That would reduce her screen time too, which is unlikely... I doubt. 
