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Post by 00bomber on Jan 12, 2009 1:16:58 GMT -5
Do people here think the show is being ruined by the writers?
Basically from what I can gage from reading episode threads it sounds like more people are disappointed than ever with the show, (mostly the Scotty/Frankie thing), but from what you guys are saying even the cases themselves are boring. Especially the last two episodes (which I haven't seen), but most people here haven't been happy with at all. The Scotty character sounds like its being ruined with this Frankie thing.
The last CC episode I watched was pin up girl (which I thought was pretty good) and I always read what you guys have to say about the episodes to see whether I should watch them. It seems that the lesser episodes just get worse as the seasons go on, and they only chuck in a few great episodes to keep people watching.
Anyway just felt like giving my 2 cents worth and see what you guys think, because it seems like a few are ready to jump ship.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 1:56:07 GMT -5
Lotto fever: I considered it excellent b/c of what I said on the forum
However, I must admit that the Scotty/Frankie thing is stupid!
I have liked season 6 and I must accept cases are not that boring but I really hate Scotty and his relationships
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Post by Naj on Jan 12, 2009 8:36:50 GMT -5
Hello bomber!  Well I can only speak as an old-timer who was with the show from the beginning. It's been awhile since I ranted about the direction the show took after season two.  I've never been a fan of Scotty Valens (I was really disappointed when they showed us the Justin Chambers' character for the first few eps and then pulled him). I can't stand when a series does that. And when that happened it was as if they didn't need a replacement and so Scotty's character never impressed me for whatever reason and I've never grown to like him.  But the best of CC was the first two seasons.  If you have access to TNT or if you taped any of season one - go back and watch the episodes and compare it to what you see today. There's a stark contrast with the quality all around. Anyway, I'm not going to speak for those that came later to the show but there are others that probably like the 'more ensemble" style of the show. And while I don't mind it this year (for some reason), the quality of the cases aren't as good as the first two years of the series (imho). Jump ship? Yes, there was a great out going of fans after season two (basically three as many waited for the show to regain it's lustre). But, I assume, the show will gain fans as it is rebroadcasted... |
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Post by myril on Jan 12, 2009 9:25:42 GMT -5
Well I can only speak as an old-timer who was with the show from the beginning. It's been awhile since I ranted about the direction the show took after season two. I've never been a fan of Scotty Valens (I was really disappointed when they showed us the Justin Chambers' character for the first few eps and then pulled him). I can't stand when a series does that. And when that happened it was as if they didn't need a replacement and so Scotty's character never impressed me for whatever reason and I've never grown to like him. But the best of CC was the first two seasons. If you have access to TNT or if you taped any of season one - go back and watch the episodes and compare it to what you see today. There's a stark contrast with the quality all around. Anyway, I'm not going to speak for those that came later to the show but there are others that probably like the 'more ensemble" style of the show. And while I don't mind it this year (for some reason), the quality of the cases aren't as good as the first two years of the series (imho). You pretty much said, Naj what I think. I do enjoy CC more than some other Bruckheimer crime shows (actually it's the only one of the Bruckheimer shows I watch regularly), probably because I like the history aspect of it so much. It's still some solid and good writing. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 9:42:05 GMT -5
Right now the writers are killing the show, with lame storylines. I'm in a full agreement with Naj about Scotty; I really have disliked him as well. However this season, it started off good but now after this one; I'm not looking forward to it as I used to. For me Cold Case used to bring out the emotions; well it's not anymore.
Whatever happened to the writers coming up with emotional storylines such as: " Fly Away, Maternal instints, A Perfect Day" or other thrilling ones, " The Woods and The Road". It just seems as if the writers aren't as intrested as they were before back from Seasons 1-4.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 13:19:05 GMT -5
I'm a real Cold Case fan that has watched all the episodes....
I've really liked some cases from seasons 5 & 6 but what happened in Season 1 or 2 was that cases had something more EVERY WEEK! We did not have to wait some episodes to get some emotional and powerful episodes!
I still can remember when I watched Maternal Instincts and The Plan... In my country It was aired Monday and the next one the next day... OMG! That was really emotional
Now, we have so-so episodes, followed with some great and then another that is not good...
About the personal issues: That's something that has helped to ruin the show... CC did not show much about det's personal issues but now they're showing too much but I still love cold case, especially reruns
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 13:47:17 GMT -5
I'm still a big fan of the show, but I do miss the drama spark it used to have. The personal lives are important cause it shows Character developement between each of the characters; and conflicts; that are all part of what makes up literature. However I'm finding every episode this season; doesn't quite bring out the emotional aspect that the past seasons had shown.
The reason why I strongly speak of that is that one of the reasons why Viewers were so drawn to the show was the impact it's individual emotional storylines were brought out. It touched them; made them feel justice and moved. Nowadays I don't see it; last season a lot of fans stopped watching it due to the lack of the writers over obbessing about Lilly's shooting aspect.
Instead of resolving it, and focusing it back on the case; they left the majority of it solely focused on her. Through Lilly is the main character and the storyline revolves around her; there wasn't any kind of growth or resolution until the last five episode after the writers strike had ended.
Thus Viewers turned away, though this season started out strong; the writers still don't know how to write in a good strong relatioship and make it last throughout the series. They need to stop and write episodes that true loyal fans were accoustomed to back in Seasons 1-4.
Whatever happened to a variation that we at least get to see more older cases, or having the main character see the " Ghost" of the victim at the end? Though humor did add to this season, the writers need to rewatch the older episode and take in a bit hint.
Lilly's shooting did ruin the show in someways, I gather if she hadn't got shot; things probably would have been better. That kind of took the icing on the cake so to speak. Plus the fact, they sort of ruined it otherways as well.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 14:32:41 GMT -5
Whatever happened to a variation that we at least get to see more older cases, or having the main character see the " Ghost" of the victim at the end? I understood ur post but on that line, what did you mean exactly with older cases, I mean, we have had older cases this season and about the ghost, I hate detectives dont see the victim anymore |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 15:04:15 GMT -5
A meant more of a variety, like we had in Seasons 1-4, there wasn't a lot of newer cases so to speak.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 15:11:37 GMT -5
I have thought about that in Seasons 1 and 2 we had weak cases too
Hubris
Disco Inferno
Herman Lester(i considered this one excellent but posting it because usually people did not like it)
Late Returns
The badlands
Red glare(excellent for me but people hated it)
Yo adrian
I Mean, what's going on right now is that in seasons 5 & 6 few eps are EXCELLENT, several are good/ok and there are others that are totally crap(Breaking news)
Before, even if the episode was not EXCELLENT, it had something emotional, wonderful, powerful
I cried in The Plan when Dom shot himself
I cried when I saw Maurice dancing in the final montage of Shuffle Ball Change
I cried when Daniel was killed in A Time to hate
I cried when Kyle drowned in Revenge
I was happy to see Justin did not die in One Night
I cried when Roween was killed in Dog Day Afternoons by the man that loved her
I want those emotions back! I want those emotions back!
This season has been good but I have felt excited and full of emotion with WW, True calling, Shore leave, Pin up Girl, Wings and One small step... Those eps were excellent for me... Before not all eps were excellent either but had that special magic...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 15:12:53 GMT -5
That's what I am talking about, the magic of emotions. Now I'm wondering as if the writers are just plainly unemotional or don't know quite how to write them anymore.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 15:18:42 GMT -5
That's what I am talking about, the magic of emotions. Now I'm wondering as if the writers are just plainly unemotional or don't know quite how to write them anymore. They know how to do it, they did it *with that creepy John Smith in "The Road" *with Samantha in the hospital in "Boy Crazy" *with Nancy in "Slipping" *with that brave Myriam in "WW" *with Laura's sweet attitude in "True calling" *with Rita's self-discover in "Pin up girl" *with that EXCELLENT INTERVIEW of Vera in "One small step" *with Lenny Snow in "Shore Leave" They know how to do it but the problem is that they don't always do it as it was before. LII2- You've been a fan a long time ago... I can still remember when they broadcasted 4 wondeful eps back to back 1x6 Love conquers Al 1x07 A time to hate 1x08 Fly away 1x09 Sherry Darlin' Only the first 2 are in my top favorites but the other 2 were so emotional... That's what we all want back: the emotion, that even if I don't like the episode... I can say It was a great episodeand I mean, I am a cold case fan and when I say I HATED(not that I disliked it only like in Triple Threat) it's because the episode was really BAD(Breaking News) |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 15:21:27 GMT -5
The only episode I liked was " Wednesdays Women" , that was moving but there is still time this season. Hopefully the writers will act upon what we as viewers feel.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 12, 2009 15:23:50 GMT -5
The only episode I liked was " Wednesdays Women" , that was moving but there is still time this season. Hopefully the writers will act upon what we as viewers feel. The Seth thing and the Vera/Bobby interview was excellent! However, they still know how to put emotion and there was still quality in the show but Breaking News was extremely bad...I hope the next one(1967 case, we have had this season cases from years that never had a cold case: 1951 and 1960) will be a good one I have the feeling 6x15 will be one of the best episodes ever |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 15:41:38 GMT -5
That episode that you were referring to wasn't from Wednedays women it was from 6X07- One small step.
Don't say that out of school yet, for you know it might now be good. Just have to watch and see, can't set things in stone.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 13, 2009 0:37:45 GMT -5
That episode that you were referring to wasn't from Wednedays women it was from 6X07- One small step. Don't say that out of school yet, for you know it might now be good. Just have to watch and see, can't set things in stone. yeah, I meant apart from Wednesday's women, we had that excellent Vera moment in One Small Step Let's see the next episode to give an opinion |
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Post by silversideup on Jan 13, 2009 12:17:07 GMT -5
I like Scotty. I know, his relationships lately were very stupid in some way, but I think, he started them just because he is still grieving for Elissa though he tries so hard to ignore and bury that somewhere in his heart. I know that may sound pretty kitschy, but I guess this is the main reason for him constantly being involved with those women that aren't worth to stay with a lifetime. Just my opinion to the Scotty-problem.  And to talk about the writers work and the quality of the storylines and so on: I have to say that I'm convinced that in every show you can watch in TV, there are some not that good episodes in every season. I could name one or two episodes per season in CC that I didn't like. But I think the point is that, in my opinion, the writers keep giving us wellplotted episodes with emotional cases and enough space left for us to discuss about. I'm also not sure if we, when we wouldn't have had the shooting in Stalker, had a better CC. I liked the whole dynamism after and while the shooting and it brought some new and some exciting aspects for the charakters and the storylines. Of course, it could have gone all different, but I didn't and still don't mind the shooting and the aftermath of it. Well, that's just my opinion to this discussion. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 13, 2009 12:30:01 GMT -5
I think in Scotty's case, he isn't meant to have a series relationship with anyone just flings.
There is a way to make the show a bit better, with more action and better interrogations, like Lilly Vs. Mauve Bubley in S3's " Saving Patrick Bubley", that was pretty intense.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 13, 2009 13:24:30 GMT -5
I think in Scotty's case, he isn't meant to have a series relationship with anyone just flings. There is a way to make the show a bit better, with more action and better interrogations, like Lilly Vs. Mauve Bubley in S3's " Saving Patrick Bubley", that was pretty intense. Right... but I think we have had good interrogations in seasons 5 & 6 too |
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If you have access to TNT or if you taped any of season one - go back and watch the episodes and compare it to what you see today. There's a stark contrast with the quality all around. Anyway, I'm not going to speak for those that came later to the show but there are others that probably like the 'more ensemble" style of the show. And while I don't mind it this year (for some reason), the quality of the cases aren't as good as the first two years of the series (imho).
