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Post by Naj on May 27, 2006 11:09:50 GMT -5
I don't feel Lilly has just out of the blue totally healed. It's just that she is making an effort to change. I felt that is what we are seeing. I guess in the future we'll see whatever side they chose to show us. Maybe they won't from what I've seen for this series' writing style. Never really got into the George shooting and it's impact which was a big mistake (imo) coming into the third season when your viewers total had been building. How much has that impacted the ratings?
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Post by boxman on May 28, 2006 21:42:04 GMT -5
I don't feel Lilly has just out of the blue totally healed. It's just that she is making an effort to change. I felt that is what we are seeing. I guess in the future we'll see whatever side they chose to show us. ... I don't either. Again, she really screwed up her professional responsibilities in doing what she did regarding Joseph; I don't call that "healed". ... I just don't understand why "personal life" has to equal "love life". There's lots of other ways to have a personal life that are less clichéd and yet they get ignored over and over... That's true, and I don't think the show is ignoring it either. It also includes her relationship with her mom and sister, as well as how close (or distant) she is with her co-workers. Family and friends also make up a person's "personal life", and Lilly doesn't really involve herself with either groups of people. Remember Lilly's comment about "Mother of the Year" she made after Joseph's mom gave her flashback? And how Scotty got to turn the tables on her with that videotape? Staying late at work, then going home to two cats doesn't leave much time for a "personal life" to spend with friends and family--and this was touched upon in "Joseph" too. So c'mon. The writers didn't ignore all these other aspects of Lilly's "personal life", have they?? Well, in my view, it really began when she took those first steps to be a homicide detective. This was well over a decade ago, according to the conversation she and McRay had in "Dog Day Afternoons". The healing process also continued when she became the Philly PD's first female homicide detective and when she began proving herself to the men. The healing process also grew three years ago when she decided to tackle these cold cases, to the ridicule of other detectives. In my view, when a person can look back like she can on the successes in her career, that itself does have enormous healing powers. Though she still has much more to do with her personal life, her successful professional life can easily be a source of strength in other areas. And right here, after three years of success in solving cold cases, seems a reasonable time for a person to look beyond their profession toward other things. That's what I find unique about this show. These detective dramas, whether television 'procedural' shows or movies, all have some roots in 1940's film noir. ("Laura", the movie the episode "Joseph" alludes to, is from 1944.) But back in those days, it was normal for people to hide their weaknesses behind cold, stoic faces, like how Lilly was in seasons one and two, and like how nearly all detectives are in every other show too. Today, some believe that hiding personal weaknesses like that can lead to psychopathic, anti-social behavior. I like the way this show isn't making heroes out of the detectives, because in my view, none of them are good role models for what it is to be a balanced adult. That tough outer shell one sees in this and all other police dramas works well in fiction, but not so much in real life. I really have to give compliments and my highest regards to the writers in daring to show that in this show--not only with Lilly, but also with every one of the other characters as well. This is a main reason why I really enjoyed watching the show season. BTW, I wonder if the reason why there were so many older cases this season was to contrast the different values Americans had in the first half of the twentieth century with what they do today?? Hmm... |
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Post by TVFan on May 30, 2006 10:58:40 GMT -5
boxman -  (to both of your posts)
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Post by soccerulz on May 30, 2006 12:53:25 GMT -5
I'll echo TVFan Boxman -  Well said - in both posts! |
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Post by sonny on May 31, 2006 12:37:17 GMT -5
Okay so I'm gonna extend that echo from way down here and like TVFan and Cutey say well said Boxman, you've made some excellent points.  |
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Post by boxman on Jun 4, 2006 11:41:14 GMT -5
I'm happy other fans see Lilly's character change in Season Three the same way I do..... Now for the "dark side" of this:
I did see "Laura", and there's a strange theme running through Cold Case. Gene Tierney, the actress who played Laura, was committed to a mental institution a few years after the movie. A lot of other tragic things happened in her life too. Eventually, she did marry a Texas tycoon and had a more 'normal' life in her later years, though. But this runs parallel to the themes of mental illness and/or deep depression that was shown in "One Night", "The River", the George episodes (I assume?), and of course "Committed". Committed too, seems to refer to another Hollywood actress who spent time institutionalized.
So anyway, I hope all this is not foreshadowing a darker turn in Lilly's character change. I think it would be a MAJOR mistake if the writers have Lilly go over the edge in upcoming episodes.
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Post by Naj on Jun 8, 2006 9:13:52 GMT -5
Gosh, boxman. This is awful but something I had wondered about for Lilly's character during season two/three and expecially with the George character. Although they have left S3 with the audience thinking Lilly is making a good change for herself, we don't know if it'll stick or even if the writers care because the writers seem to let things drop and then turn into other directions quite drastically (imo). Will they let Lilly's dark side come out more? Or will the show be just mainly about the cases next season. What will Veena do?  I'm happy other fans see Lilly's character change in Season Three the same way I do..... Now for the "dark side" of this: I did see "Laura", and there's a strange theme running through Cold Case. Gene Tierney, the actress who played Laura, was committed to a mental institution a few years after the movie. A lot of other tragic things happened in her life too. Eventually, she did marry a Texas tycoon and had a more 'normal' life in her later years, though. But this runs parallel to the themes of mental illness and/or deep depression that was shown in "One Night", "The River", the George episodes (I assume?), and of course "Committed". Committed too, seems to refer to another Hollywood actress who spent time institutionalized. So anyway, I hope all this is not foreshadowing a darker turn in Lilly's character change. I think it would be a MAJOR mistake if the writers have Lilly go over the edge in upcoming episodes. |
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Post by jazzyb on Jun 8, 2006 19:00:26 GMT -5
I think Naj you've hit upon an interesting point. There is to be a change in show-runner next season and that may take the show (i.e. writing) in another direction entirely from season 3. But that remains to be seen. I've always enjoyed the episodes written by Veena Sud so hopefully will see more of that influence as season 4 unfolds.
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