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Post by Naj on Sept 26, 2005 7:39:03 GMT -5
I don't know if I have this correctly.
Lilly: "I'm getting tired of being the only girl on the line."
It's not that she now is not the only female but 'lost even more in the group' to less focus.
Note: This is not about bashing actors. This is about characters on a show about a lone female detective.
Although the show justified they had to make a transfer, the show will have to prove why they need another full time detective. How can they do that?
Thoughts?
~Naj
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Post by wetzelmirage on Sept 26, 2005 9:02:10 GMT -5
Perhaps Lilly's health is on the line... She didnt look so well(way to pale color) and maybe this the way they'll get this through...  |
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Post by soccerulz on Sept 26, 2005 11:09:48 GMT -5
I thought have the new girl (at least in this episode) was a little....awkward. It was almost as if they didn't know what to do with all of the characters. Does that make sense? So, as for having to justify why they need another full time detective....I don't know. But, I'm hoping that Lily's health is NOT on the line. But she did look SO pale/sick/tired.
I just really hope that is NOT the way the writers are planning to work in Sutton.
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Post by sukkerspinn on Sept 26, 2005 14:57:59 GMT -5
I really hope they plan to work her out again really fast..
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Post by Trublu on Sept 26, 2005 15:58:41 GMT -5
As much as I think about it, Im still not sure how they plan on explaining the need for another detective. The squad was doing fine on their own, Lilly was kicking butt at the whole lone female thing. :smile10:
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Post by Ju on Sept 26, 2005 16:39:47 GMT -5
I haven't watched this ep. yet, but I think they don't need another detective. Lilly was doing a great job and if she needs a break from work, the boys can handle by themselves.
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Post by soccerulz on Sept 27, 2005 17:09:09 GMT -5
As much as I think about it, Im still not sure how they plan on explaining the need for another detective. The squad was doing fine on their own, Lilly was kicking butt at the whole lone female thing.  Yeah, she was. I'm not really sure about how I feel about this new girl, I mean now that I've had a few days to digest her. I'm sort of indifferent right now, but I'm still not sure why she was needed in the first place. |
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Post by lovecoldcase on Oct 1, 2005 13:43:56 GMT -5
I still don't have much strong feelings towards the new detective,but she really leads to fewer Lily's scenes...
She is not as "bright"as Lily...at least can't catch my first attentionas Lily does....
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Post by ruda on Oct 1, 2005 14:33:17 GMT -5
I don't like "Josie chippy".
Sutton Sucks!
Lilly is still scare and she's in pain.
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Post by luvthe one who's name we shall not saybrown on Oct 1, 2005 21:40:05 GMT -5
We'll have to wait and see.... I like the mystery of her past and the fact that hopefully we'll get some mentoring from Lily.
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Post by sonny on Oct 2, 2005 6:31:01 GMT -5
I think though, that I would have prefered "Josie chippy" to have had a simpler past. All the other characters have had complicated pasts or are in complicated situations [both for Lilly] so it would have been nicer for me to have someone come in who hasn't got the baggage and problems that the others have. I think there is a risk of overloading viewers with the characters complicated personal circumstances. I want Lilly drama and have always wanted that but the Scotty drama last season was a bit to much and then there was Stillmans issue with his daughter, Vera and his marriage problems and finding out that Jeffries wife had died in some obviously not so nice way, is all enough for me!! I'm not sure I wanna know about Sutton's problems too??? That's partly the reason I'm still so unsure about her. I want to know more about Stillman, Vera and Jeffries, but Scotty needs a little drama rest!! Lilly I'm afraid will always need to have something going on cos IMO that's what the personal side of the show is about. If "Josie chippy" is a permanant addition to the show then I'd prefer it if her personal issues stayed personal for a while until the others have been revealed to us a little more, and we have gooten to know what she is like.  |
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Post by samanda on Oct 2, 2005 13:56:11 GMT -5
None of the pre-existing characters seem to have remotely normal lives, so I agree that "Josie chippy" should've came with a simpler past.
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Post by luvthe one who's name we shall not saybrown on Oct 2, 2005 14:38:04 GMT -5
But why? "IF" she's going to be around for awhile. Why can't she have a past, too? This is where I'm confused. Now if she's not going to be around, then I can see them keeping it simple. And it may still be simple. We had Stillman say he wanted no trouble from "Josie chippy" at his department. That could be the end of her past as far as we know.
But it seems there's worry about screen time. Lily IS Cold Case. And she seems to still be the main focus. I don't see the need to worry about one more addition. If "Josie chippy" were a guy, would it be a problem?
The fact that speculation has her mentoring "Josie chippy" could mean Lily may take on a new, more prominent role on the show.
All we can do now is wait. None of know what's going to happen. As good of a writing team Cold Case has, I don't see them shoving Sutton's problems in our faces. As a new viewer the cases seem to be a bigger priority than the personal lives of the detectives. I like the balance. And I don't see "Josie chippy" taking over the show anytime soon.
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Post by sonny on Oct 2, 2005 14:56:54 GMT -5
I'm not saying that her character is not allowed a past but the affair rumour and her dad being killed in action seem pretty big events in comparison to the past of alot of people. I have nothing against her character and as I've said before I'm yet to make a judgement as we know so little about her personality at this stage. What I am saying is that IMO it would have been more of a breath of fresh air for someone to come in without any baggage. Drama can be created at any time it doesn't always have to lie in the past is what I'm saying. Anyways I know that Lilly is still and always will be the centre of the show :smile42: . I'm not worried at all about "Josie chippy"'s past being 'shoved in our faces' cos the writers haven't done that with anyone else. "Josie chippy" can turn out to be a great addition to the show and I think the writers are having to think very carefully about what they do with her. As I've probably said before, as a Lilly Ho Official Member I'd be happy if it were just her in the show, but hey they really would run out of storylines then!!!! As long as Kathryn Morris is happy with the way things are going, that's all I worry about, cos I wouldn't want her bailing!!
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Post by luvthe one who's name we shall not saybrown on Oct 2, 2005 15:05:24 GMT -5
Understandable. I like Lily and Kathryn, too. Surprisingly right off. She's good. I didn't expect to like her as much, but I do. But I also like the show in general. It's well-written. I don't think the first episode is a basis to judge "Josie chippy", either, considering we really didn't get much from her personality wise.
As a huge the one who's name we shall not say fan, I WANT to like her, and myself am holding out an opinion on the character. I wasn't a big fan of her stint on ATWT, simply because I felt the one who's name we shall not say was beyond the writing. Things started out well, and then went downhill from there on the soap. But I enjoyed the one who's name we shall not say's craft and didn't mind watching the duration of the character.
But so far, with what we have been given, I don't hate Joise. I'm intrigued because of what happened with her father and this scandal between her and her Captain.
Drama can be created along the way.... and I hope she is on the show permanently. This is the first show she's been on that I enjoy for what it is. Not because the one who's name we shall not say joined the cast. So I'm hoping things aren't shoved in our faces and the ratings drop dramatically.
We'll just have to wait and see. I think the main thing that needs to happen is that Lily clicks with "Josie chippy". And from their brief encounter I think it's highly possible.
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Post by sonny on Oct 2, 2005 15:11:33 GMT -5
I think you are so right lovethe one who's name we shall not saybrown, it is important for "Josie chippy"'s character that she 'clicks' with Lilly or she's gonna be unpopular which will be sad for the one who's name we shall not say. I'm really pleased you like Kathryn [mind you if you didn't you daren't say it here lol].
Like you I'm holding out on an opinion about her character as I too need to know a bit more [particularly about "Josie chippy"/Lilly bonding]. I think the one who's name we shall not say did a great job in her first episode.
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Post by Naj on Oct 3, 2005 9:30:37 GMT -5
I haven't been on this thread for a bit. I think they gave sutton a past to meld into the group. "the fray". someone here asked if it had been a new guy detective added would it had been a problem. for me anyone over stillman, vera, jeffries and lilly is too many. that includes scotty and i wish they'd send him on some long assignment away from the philly homicide department this season off screen. ;D i've had enough of the cramming his character down our throats since S1.  ;D that said last night's ep was better with the way they have divided the detectives. I like lilly with vera, with stillman and jeffries. i'm happy they've taken lilly away from scotty more because i don't really care for that pairing. i like the scotty/the one who's name we shall not say paring so far. it just seems natural as natural as it seems for lilly with the Stillman/Vera/Jeffries. this pairing change has sharpened the focus/scene transitions of the episodes, I think. so not sure where they go from here. ~Naj  |
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Post by Naj on Oct 3, 2005 9:36:35 GMT -5
I think you are so right lovethe one who's name we shall not saybrown, it is important for "Josie chippy"'s character that she 'clicks' with Lilly or she's gonna be unpopular which will be sad for the one who's name we shall not say. I'm really pleased you like Kathryn [mind you if you didn't you daren't say it here lol]. Like you I'm holding out on an opinion about her character as I too need to know a bit more [particularly about "Josie chippy"/Lilly bonding]. I think the one who's name we shall not say did a great job in her first episode. Maybe lilly and "Josie chippy" aren't really going to work together much. maybe scotty and "Josie chippy" will be paired more. maybe lilly is going to work closer to stillman. :smile10: |
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Post by TVFan on Oct 3, 2005 10:36:11 GMT -5
This is a very interesting question luvthe one who's name we shall not saybrown, and I've often wondered it myself. There does seem to be something about women in competition with other women, so I'm sure if I would feel differently if they had added a male character. I mean, just because "Josie chippy" is female, why do I automatically assume she'll take away from Lilly? It's funny because last night at least, her addition seemed to take away time from Jeffries and Vera and not Lilly. I'm just waiting to see how things go. Like I've said, I like "Josie chippy"/the one who's name we shall not say. I do think it's a bit odd that Lilly and Scotty arebarely working together anymore. It doesn't bother me, though. I've always been a big proponent of Lilly working with the others anyway. Just strange, that's all. And Naj, I had to laugh at your idea for Scotty. |
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Post by luvthe one who's name we shall not saybrown on Oct 3, 2005 17:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. TVFan what you said about us women is SO true. We do seem to compete more.
But it seems to me there's a balance on Cold Case this season, versus the few shows I've seen on repeat. Lily did seem to dominate more.
But there was an article that mentioned that this season a lot of shows are adding females because of the Desperate Housewives craze. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
I try to look at it that way. We still know who the star of the show is. That much is evident, but making the show more diverse may help the ratings. Or it may not. Depends on what the majority of the viewers are looking for.
I came on as a the actor who portrayed the Defunct Detective fan but can easily see myself wathching this show without her. It's got great actors and the writing is good, too.
But I love seeing Lily with Stillman. It seems that Lily could move up to a higer rank. And if the mentoring thing EVER happens, maybe that's why we have the one who's name we shall not say now. Lily could be promoted. Only time will tell.
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