Lil's backstory

[V]

Disasterfreak said:

Oh, Naj, that's awful.

I know those things happen, but in this case, I really don't think it could be that bad. I honestly don't believe Lilly could function as well as she does if it were... not to mention she wouldn't have gone near a man again (thus Patrick and Kite could never have existed).

I always had the feeling, from the first episodes, she had been raped or at least molested sometime in the past. After hearing all this about her 49, though, I'm almost hoping that's not the case. I mean, I know it sounds likely, but I don't think I can stand so much suffering for her... the beating up was bad enough. Maybe she was molested but not actually raped? It's better than nothing.

I agree with you, DF, I don't think Lilly could be as "normal" as she is had she endured such abuse in the past as Naj describes. Yes, she may have been sexually assaulted (not necessarily raped) and abused as a child and she's been able to deal with that because she's strong and she's a fighter. It was amazing to see how vulnerable Lilly became during the scene with George, so it seems that there still are some deep seeded feelings and issues that she has yet to really tackle. But, I'm just speculating, like we all are. We need Kathryn Morris to give us some insight ...

And we know from "Look Again" that she may have been abused as an adult ... when she says "My ex-husband was a mean drunk -- I know the difference between a soccer injury and a trip down the stairs." Now, this line has always puzzled me -- was Lilly indeed married and/or abused as an adult or did she just make that up?

[TVFan]

Lilly: "He followed me, I gave him what I had."

George: "Then he went his merry way."

Lilly: "You know he didn't."

That exchange was left very open to interpretation. We (now) know that he didn't just go on "his merry way" because he broke her jaw and knocked out her teeth. BUT the question is, did he then go on his merry way? I don't think he did. The way she said, "You know he didn't" led me to believe this creep also at least molested her. Plus, you have George's comment about the guy touching Lilly in her "secret place." Considering the fact that George read the 49 report, I'm thinking that there's more to the story than we learned the other night. I love how this show gives you some information, but at the same time, gives you more to ponder.

And we know from "Look Again" that she may have been abused as an adult ... when she says "My ex-husband was a mean drunk -- I know the difference between a soccer injury and a trip down the stairs." Now, this line has always puzzled me -- was Lilly indeed married and/or abused as an adult or did she just make that up?

It's tough to tell with Lil, V, but I think she just made that up in order to get Mrs. Shelby to open up to her. It has never been mentioned since (whereas the ex-fiance has several times). Later in the pilot, she's embarrised when Mrs. Shelby brings it up again. I think it's because the others caught her in a lie. Not sure, but it's JMO .

[Disasterfreak]

I also had the feeling she made that up, V... for all the reasons TV Fan mentioned. It's not always easy to know when Lilly's telling the truth--sometimes she just makes up stuff to get close to the suspects. But I'm pretty sure she was telling the truth about her 49... all the pain described in that scene couldn't have come out of nowhere. Besides... what would be the point of lying to George, if he'd already read her 49?

Also, slightly off-topic, but I sometimes get the feeling Jeffries and Stillman might know about her 49. Not because she's told them, but because they were probably around back then, rookie cops when it happened. They might've heard. And in Mindhunters, when George brings up the 49, Scotty looks startled, but Jeffries and Stillman just exchange glances, like if they were going "damn" in their minds...

[ruda]

I agree
she can was molested with that man

she was cry when she was talking with George...
(I don't see this episode- I downloading him now)
when he say about the guy touching Lilly in her "secret place"... It was this scene when she was cry?
I still think, she can was raped but we still don't know this. I don't know why... but this can be a truth. Report 49 s about this: molested, rape etc... she was so scare and I think with that man was rape her.

[irishkale]

Wait a minute.. George keeps saying "Tell me what happened to little Lilly, what you've told no one else..."

I would think that the 49 report SHOULD be a pretty complete account of what happened. Since there was a report, the cops got involved. You would think that they would check her for signs of molestation, penetration, semen, etc. If she had in fact been raped, I find it weird that George wouldn't mention it (ala his knowledge of her 49). Especially since Lilly brings up HIS rape. It's really puzzling... I would say she was molested.

Perhaps it's not so important to ask "What" happened to Little Lilly, but "WHO" did it to her? A close relative maybe? Was the doer ever caught??

[Disasterfreak]

Good point, Irishkale. Tit for tat. "Know your enemy" and all that stuff mentioned in Mindhunters. Unless he was so taken aback by her mentioning his rape he couldn't think clear enough to turn the tables on her. Still think he would've tried to use that against her, though, to defend himself...

Coeurdobscurite is right. The writers were deliberately vague, left this hanging on purpose, to leave us speculating. They knew it would make a hot topic. Can't say I blame them.

[TVFan]

I too was wondering if the doer was ever caught. And irishkale, you bring up a good point. George was throwing everything back at Lilly that he could. He was deflecting the focus from himself so he could try to bring her down. If Lilly had been raped, I agree that he would have thrown that back at her when she mentioned his rape. I think you're right in that she may have been molested, but not raped. I hope they go into this whole 49 report storyline next season.

[Disasterfreak]

Me, too. In fact I was thinking (actually in terms of fanfic, but it could happen in the show), what if Lilly ran into her attacker again? What if he suddenly just waltzed into the precinct for another crime--or worse even, to report a crime for the squad to look into? I'm sure Lilly'd recognize him, her 49's not the type of thing you'd forget. It would lead to a major Lilly breakdown, I think--and probably a lot of violence from her and everybody else--but probably some closure, too. If she managed to get him put away.

[Ryebeach]

disasterfreak said:

Me, too. In fact I was thinking (actually in terms of fanfic, but it could happen in the show), what if Lilly ran into her attacker again? What if he suddenly just waltzed into the precinct for another crime--or worse even, to report a crime for the squad to look into? I'm sure Lilly'd recognize him, her 49's not the type of thing you'd forget. It would lead to a major Lilly breakdown, I think--and probably a lot of violence from her and everybody else--but probably some closure, too. If she managed to get him put away.

Great idea Disasterfreak. That would make for an excellent storyline. I wonder if that is in the back of the writer's minds to use her attack in a future episode.

[Trublu]

I bet it is too Ryebeach. That would make for a great episode later on in the series. But now, i think they are going to let the situation stew for a while before they give us anymore "big crumbs" like that.

[KathrynFan]

i picked - Keep getting little crumbs of info every few eps

[ruda]

I don't know where can I write this so I write this here:

I realy think, Lil was raped. Did you know why I think that?
When I watched 2x23 The Woods and George ask her: "Did he touch you in your secret place?" her face was so... sad! she was crying and a little 'change' a subject.
and... she has 49... she scare of mans, she doesn't trust them.
her secrets are realy dark: alkoholic mother, bad sister, no father, no childhood, bad fiance, accident when she was 10 [one man beat her up]

her heart is broken. she's workholic...
Stillman is like her father [did you see that? he adore her ;D ]. everybody like her very much!

*big hug*

[Disasterfreak]

I think she was raped too. Or at least molested. I'm HOPING she wasn't--but I'm pretty sure she was. As you say, Ruda, the signs are there. At least some.

[ruda]

heh
Yeah
I just need to know if that's truth. maybe she tell someday: "I was raped" or "I was molested"

[sonny]

Maybe she was and it is something that she didn't even tell the police so it wouldn't have been in her 49 otherwise George wouldn't have mentioned it in the form of a question? I'm not sure we will ever get a clear answer about that but like you have both said there are signs. One I particularly recall is in Strange Fruit where Vera says "report of a rape" and Lilly takes in a huge breath and looks over to Stillman. Later when Lilly is talking to Linda the secretary. Linda says "back then rape was when a lady changed her mind." Lilly's face again says a thousand words!! So who knows?? I'd hate to think she would have gone through that.

[TVFan]

I'm not sure, but I got the impression that she was molested and not raped. They definitely left some of it open for interpretation, so it's hard to know for sure.

[Disasterfreak]

Yah, I think George would've phrased the question differently if she had been raped. So I agree she was probably molested. Anyway, we'll probably never know for sure. She's sure never gonna say it. Maybe we'll get to hear someone else (Stillman?) explain it to some nosy fool (like Scotty? LOL--since he can't seem to keep his mouth shut).

[sonny]

disasterfreak said:

Yah, I think George would've phrased the question differently if she had been raped. So I agree she was probably molested. Anyway, we'll probably never know for sure. She's sure never gonna say it. Maybe we'll get to hear someone else (Stillman?) explain it to some nosy fool (like Scotty? LOL--since he can't seem to keep his mouth shut).

:smile21: :smile21: :smile21: Yeah Scotty the blundering idiot would probably go straight to Lilly and offer to be some kind of hero!! I could just imagine it.

[ruda]

She need Scotty
I think she love him [2x11 when Elisa died... 2x15 when he was with Chris]
and he love her [2x23 The Woods]

her past is very bad and sad. she need to tell somebody about this. I hope this would be Scotty ;D

[sonny]

rudaxf said:

She need Scotty
I think she love him [2x11 when Elisa died... 2x15 when he was with Chris]
and he love her [2x23 The Woods]

her past is very bad and sad. she need to tell somebody about this. I hope this would be Scotty ;D

I guess I would like her to open up to him, I mean they have shared 'secrets' in the past [season 1], but I don't think Scotty would know how to react. Their relationship isn't very solid at the moment after the Chris thing so I'm not sure she would ever really trust Scotty with her deepest secrets. And if she did tell him, like I said he'd either try and be a hero or he would just kinda pat her on the back, shake his head and change the subject.