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Post by michelle on May 28, 2006 9:30:47 GMT -5
I wanted to start this thread because, of the CC episodes I've seen and been able to rewatch several times, Fly Away (season 1, I think) stands out as being so good on so many levels. Lilly at work: There are two fantastic interrogations. The first one, of Rosie Miles' abusive father. In true Lilly fashion, she gets right up in his face, pokes him in the chest, and challenges "hit me. Come on, you like hitting girls, hit me." And then, with the contempt in her voice so thick you can almost see it says "You did a lot more than just hit Rosie, didn't you?" The second interrogation is of the social services caseworker, Mr. Freely "You were like God to these women. You had the power to give, to take. And you did." When Freely responds with a comment about trailer park trash and welfare, you can tell it goes right to Lilly's heart and you just know she's gonna attack. She does. (I'm going to stop quoting or I'll have the whole script in here.  ) Lilly on a personal level: You really see how angry and hurt she is by her past. Her familiarity with the welfare system, with free breakfast at school, and her shame and resentment about all of it is brought right out into the open. You can see how much the past has made her into what she is today, and how she could have gone either way into successful workaholic or welfare alcoholic like her mother. And at the end, when we see that yes, there were a few good times with her mom, you can tell that the good times just made the bad all that much worse by contrast. Back to the case, when it shows what actually happened at the end, it is so tragic it makes the hairs on my arms stand up every time I see it. This has gone on way too long (my apologies). GREAT episode! |
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Post by Icz Queen on May 28, 2006 10:22:28 GMT -5
I don't remember a name of an episode but I believe it's about this woman who tried to runaway from her husband but in the end, he ended up killing one of her twins by throwing her kid off the bridge. The whole episode just broke my heart especially in the end when they showed this woman stood in front of the door with her two kids, crying and her face all bruised. It's such a shock to know that a man who you love and trust your life with can cause you such a pain.  |
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Post by Naj on May 28, 2006 11:02:15 GMT -5
It was A Perfect Day I believe the highest viewed ep so far.
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Post by koufax on May 29, 2006 13:11:35 GMT -5
I have three favorites: The two George episodes and "Gleen". I love that scene at the end of Gleen where Lilly is so spunky and sarcastic with the murderer. To me it is a classic Lilly scene.
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Post by tillace on Jun 14, 2006 19:16:53 GMT -5
I also have to vote for The Woods as my favourite episode, for its heart-in-mouth, edge-of-seat climax, the return of George & just Lilly's scenes in general.
The episode which got me right here (clutches chest) more than any other was Wishing. I'm not normally a crier, but after this episode I was really fighting back the tears!
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Post by TVFan on Jun 15, 2006 11:09:01 GMT -5
That was a tough one for me too, tillace. So sad! But my biggest emotional ep is definitely still "Fly Away." It was just so heart wrenching! I had never seen something so deeply emotional on TV before that episode, and I decided at that point that this show was way more than your average run-of-the-mill crime drama. My all-time favorite episode is probably "Mind Hunter," but "Fly Away," "The Woods," "Sherry Darlin' " and "Saving Patrick Bubley" are right behind it.  |
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Post by frenchfan on Jun 15, 2006 11:39:49 GMT -5
The choice is so difficult. So much of episodes touched me for many reasons. But if it's necessary to choose.
OK, then
The woods (n°1), Fly away (for the same reasons as Michelle), Mind Hunters, Sherry Darlin.(S1-2 only, I saw only 4 ep of season 3).
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Post by LillyKat on Jun 15, 2006 15:45:13 GMT -5
I still have a lot of eps to catch up on, but I think I would have to go with "Mind Hunter" right now as my favorite. I watched that on the Emmy DVD and thought, 'And why has this show NOT been nominated, yet?' LOL!  I'm looking forward to seeing "Sherry Darlin'" shortly, particularly after reading a lot of different comments about the Lilly/James dynamic. "Saving Patrick Bubley" ranks as the best S3 ep I've seen so far ... I thought the story was really compelling, and Lilly was not quite herself. I think I'm finding I like the eps when Lilly is not herself. I am not quite sure why. I think it just interests me more when the character development is not predictable, and/or it throws out a left curve. Some left curves are good; others are not. But, the fact they come up every so often is OK by me. Thus, I think that's also why I really liked "Joseph" quite a bit. I've read how this ep was a departure from typical Lilly of seasons past (and I can agree with that, having been recently watching several eps from the different seasons). To be honest, I definitely like fiery, tough Lilly of S1, and messed up, emotional yet still fiery and tough of S2. But, "Joseph" seemed, to me, to really put into context how the character of Lilly has evolved over the seasons - not just being the cop, having to deal with all her "stuff" (sis, mom, the past, being alone) ... the whole 'unraveling' aspect that Kathryn mentioned in the pod cast before the Season 3 premiere. The whole of S3, from what I gather, was building to this point for the character. As such, I thought that's why the whole ep worked really well, and because it was NOT typical Lilly was what, I thought, made it all the more intriguing. "Joseph" may get bumped down the list as I see more eps, but as of now, I give it props for what it was trying to do for the overall development of the Lilly character ... poor gal has to get back to getting a life one of these days. |
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Post by tiger_lilly on Jun 15, 2006 16:10:14 GMT -5
LillyKat, I think you said that very well about "Joseph". Although it is not one my favorite episodes, I do see it as a changing point and I also believe that many things have been leading up to this very point in the show and in Lilly's life. As for my favorite episode it is hard to say. But ofcourse The Woods is high up there . But one that moved me a lot was Best Friends. It was beautiful and so sad.
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Post by michelle on Jun 15, 2006 20:57:19 GMT -5
I've finally got a hold of all the past episodes so I can catch up on all the ones I've missed. I think I'll be adding to my list of favorites!
I agree that Mindhunters was a great one too. It just tore me up at the end when she was so close to getting the s.o.b and then he just walked off. That was also the first ep I'd seen where she actually let a tear FALL (I had to back up,zoom, and slow mo to make sure I'd seen it right!) That just killed me! She is such a great crier (sp?), she brings me with her every time.
Now the challenge will be to continue watching all these episodes in order, and only one a day, instead of picking out all the favorites mentioned above to watch first or just having a ColdCase gluttony marathon and watching all 3 seasons, one after the other, around the clock.
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Post by LillyKat on Jun 15, 2006 22:01:26 GMT -5
tiger_lilly: Thanks for your kind reply - it will be interesting to see where they decide to go (or not go) with the "Joseph" storyline. michelle: Think I will be revising favorites, too. So much Cold Case, so little time. Would really like to see "The Woods" in its entirety as I have a feeling that will rank high on the list as well.
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Post by sonny on Jun 16, 2006 11:06:42 GMT -5
I still have a lot of eps to catch up on, but I think I would have to go with "Mind Hunter" right now as my favorite. I watched that on the Emmy DVD and thought, 'And why has this show NOT been nominated, yet?' LOL! I'm looking forward to seeing "Sherry Darlin'" shortly, particularly after reading a lot of different comments about the Lilly/James dynamic. "Saving Patrick Bubley" ranks as the best S3 ep I've seen so far ... I thought the story was really compelling, and Lilly was not quite herself. I think I'm finding I like the eps when Lilly is not herself. I am not quite sure why. I think it just interests me more when the character development is not predictable, and/or it throws out a left curve. Some left curves are good; others are not. But, the fact they come up every so often is OK by me. Thus, I think that's also why I really liked "Joseph" quite a bit. I've read how this ep was a departure from typical Lilly of seasons past (and I can agree with that, having been recently watching several eps from the different seasons). To be honest, I definitely like fiery, tough Lilly of S1, and messed up, emotional yet still fiery and tough of S2. But, "Joseph" seemed, to me, to really put into context how the character of Lilly has evolved over the seasons - not just being the cop, having to deal with all her "stuff" (sis, mom, the past, being alone) ... the whole 'unraveling' aspect that Kathryn mentioned in the pod cast before the Season 3 premiere. The whole of S3, from what I gather, was building to this point for the character. As such, I thought that's why the whole ep worked really well, and because it was NOT typical Lilly was what, I thought, made it all the more intriguing. "Joseph" may get bumped down the list as I see more eps, but as of now, I give it props for what it was trying to do for the overall development of the Lilly character ... poor gal has to get back to getting a life one of these days. Really well sais LillyKat, and I'll agree I too like the episode where Lilly isn't quite herself. In beautiful Little Fool I was intrigued by the way she got drunk and ended up calling Kite. For someone who is always so controlled she really let herself slip up there! Gah, I'm still having trouble deciding on my all time favourite episode because there are so many that are so good for different reasons. I guess if there is an episode I could watch over and over again it would be Hubris. Despite the Lilly and Kite story line [which is just amazing] I thought the case was really interesting. How Ray Minard basically toyed with the CC team by coming in in the first place, trying to fool them into convicting someone else is something we haven't seen much of over the 3 seasons. But then Maternal Instincts, Mindhunter, The Woods and Saving Patrick are also BIG favourites of mine. |
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Post by TVFan on Jun 16, 2006 11:33:30 GMT -5
This is so well said LillyKat!  I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote. I think that seemingly "out of character" moments are what make Lilly even more complex. Just when you think you have her figured out, she throw you a curve ball. She's absolutely fascinating and Kathryn does such a fabulous job of keeping her mystique quality. Michelle - Lilly's interrogation with George is my absolute favorite Kathryn acting moment. She was so brilliant that there aren't even words to describe it. Seriously, the way she used her face (especially her eyes) to completely navigate the emotions in that scene was nothing short of incredible. You could tell that George had gotten to Lil, but she wasn't going to let him know it. She took that deep breath and then turned the tables on him. That scene alone is my reason for giving "Mind Hunter" my top spot. sonny - "Hubris" is another great episode. That kiss on the street in the snow still gives me goose bumps! It was so romantic and wonderful and now I think I'll just go wallow in my own romantic sap-ness. |
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Post by orison on Jun 16, 2006 12:11:24 GMT -5
Favourite episodes? Man, this is hard... I can't pick up only one, so I'll try to name a few for every season...
Let's see, two of the S1 eppys that stuck in my mind are "Fly Away" and "Boy in the Box". These two I was really dying to watch again after I watched the season here in Italy and both got me to tears every time.
As for S2, obviously "Mindhunters" and "The Woods", but I also really, really liked "Best Friends".
S3? I have to agree with you guys here: "A Perfect Day" and "Saving Patrick Bubley" are two of the most powerful ones. Now let me post this before I add other names to the list...
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Post by LillyKat on Jun 16, 2006 12:24:54 GMT -5
Really well said LillyKat, and I'll agree I too like the episode where Lilly isn't quite herself. In beautiful Little Fool I was intrigued by the way she got drunk and ended up calling Kite. For someone who is always so controlled she really let herself slip up there! So, true, sonny about Lilly at the end of "Beautiful Little Fool." I really loved that whole sequence - unloading on mom, then storming out drunk and calling Kite. Very un-Lilly-like. (Of course, I had to go back and figure out who Kite actually was - LOL! Got it, now, though. ) TVFan - Kathryn's subtleties are priceless. I've kind of come up with this "hard-to-soft" phrase that I will call out during an episode. It is that one moment (or can be more than one moment) where she is, say, just drilling someone in interrogation ... then, with just the slightest change (whether it is in expression, body language, voice tone), will turn that hard edge to soft without losing any intensity. There is the "ice queen" scene (where Scotty runs down to the lobby to confront her about the "ice queen" trip she's giving him re: the whole Christina situation ... forgive me ... I've only seen the clip, so do not know the ep ... and forgive me again for breaking this down line by line, but I think it's a great example in a very short sequence ... I am a nerd, what can I say ... ...) Lilly, in the beginning of that sequence, is sarcastic, flippant, infuriated (love the whole Great, great ... God bless line). Then, ever so subtle, it changes with She's trouble - Kathryn's voice inflection, how she pauses before saying it, kind of almost with a tear and dips her head. That sets up the even more powerful Who*ing it out with a cocktail waitress won't bring back your dead girlfriend. That line alone is a humdinger, but HOW the line is delivered - where she chokes it up at the very end - is a testament, I think, to the power of Kathryn's subtleties. I have watched that over and over and just thought it genious. And that's only one example from one scene in one episode. There are countless others ... really cannot think of another contemporary who can match Kathryn on this ability. |
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Post by sonny on Jun 16, 2006 16:23:53 GMT -5
And that's only one example from one scene in one episode. There are countless others ... really cannot think of another contemporary who can match Kathryn on this ability. My goodness, what you said is just perfect! So true, and the exact reason she should be winning that Emmy this year!! |
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Post by jazzyb on Jun 17, 2006 8:11:50 GMT -5
Ditto, to all the observations from LillyKat. I only wish I had watched this show from the beginning because I understand there are great episodes from Season 1 that I haven't had a chance to see. But from what little of Season 1, all of Seasons 2 & 3, here are my favorites:
Season 1-- "Maternal Instincts"; especially her confrontation scenes with the troubled kid on the sidewalk outside the courthouse and again in his jail cell. She became very emotional to the point of tears in both instances but it was done with such grace and subtlety -- very rare for TV!
Season 2 -- Three-way tie between "Wishing"; the aforementioned scene with Scotty and the closing montage (the song was so simple and beautiful), "Best Friends"; the theme was handled so delicately and I think Lilly's reading the poem to Piper Laurie at the end was terrific, and "MindHunters"; the interrogation scene with George is just classic.
Season 3 --"Saving Patrick Bubley"; this was the epitome of how well episodic TV can be done. All of the lead actors got to play to their strengths and shine accordingly. The guest stars nailed their characters so that every line seemed authentic. Exceptionally well done.
There are many more episodes that had dynamite moments but this post would just go on forever.
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Post by koufax on Jun 17, 2006 21:31:19 GMT -5
I have three favorites: The two "George" episodes because it kept me in complete suspense and compelely involved. I also love "Gleen" because of the closing scene between Lilly and the murderer: to me this was classic Lilly(Lilly at her best)
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Post by TVFan on Jun 19, 2006 11:12:00 GMT -5
One again LillyKat, you are so dead on here. You put into words what I have always been thinking about Kathryn and her tremendous acting talents. My question is, how does she pull this off so well? It's amazing! I also loved your analysis of that scene in the lobby between Lil and Scotty. Excellent thoughts! You know, I have always sung her praises for her subtlety as well, and I think, ironically, it's one of the factors that keeps her from the praise she deserves. It always seems that they nominate actors who give these big, showy performances where they lose someone close to them or something to this effect. The beauty in Kathryn's performance each week is that she brings that same quality to every episode, but she manages to do it quietly without all the fanfare. I guess these awards shows don't fully appreciate this sort of talent. Maybe we'll all be surprised next month. |
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Post by LillyKat on Jun 19, 2006 17:02:49 GMT -5
One again LillyKat, you are so dead on here. You put into words what I have always been thinking about Kathryn and her tremendous acting talents. My question is, how does she pull this off so well? It's amazing! I also loved your analysis of that scene in the lobby between Lil and Scotty. Excellent thoughts! You know, I have always sung her praises for her subtlety as well, and I think, ironically, it's one of the factors that keeps her from the praise she deserves. It always seems that they nominate actors who give these big, showy performances where they lose someone close to them or something to this effect. The beauty in Kathryn's performance each week is that she brings that same quality to every episode, but she manages to do it quietly without all the fanfare. I guess these awards shows don't fully appreciate this sort of talent. Maybe we'll all be surprised next month. I so agree, TVFan, that Kathryn's talent alone is solid week in, week out, in every episode (which is why it is so hard to choose a favorite, I think). It is her dedication and commitment to the show, and to the character, that is, I think, part of that technique. She has given, and does give, 1000% and it shows. (John Billingsly's comments about that very dedication and commitment are proof positive on perhaps why we see such excellence each week). As such, this is exactly why I cannot figure out how she has not been nominated as yet. Is the Academy just not watching the eps? LOL! When you have someone like Patricia Arquette winning first year out for Medium, or Kyra Sedgwick getting a nod for The Closer (I cannot remember which - perhaps a Golden Globe; I do remember it was too late last year for The Closer to be considered for an Emmy but I do predict she'll get a nom this year, and perhaps the show as well), those two performances are comparable to Kathryn's - and both those actresses really are not high profile/fanfare-oriented. As I recall, PA was kind of doing her own thing before Medium, and KS, whilst solid in everything in which I've ever seen her, was not exactly doing anything mainstream. You take any episode - favorite or not - of CC, compare Kathryn's performance to the others, and it matches up and/or exceeds the others. Thus, seems unfair she's been left off the list for consideration. But then again, to quote Kathryn from Ellen in March: "The show has finally arrived." So, perhaps with that, the award recognition will arrive, too. |
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