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Post by Tracylynn on Sept 19, 2004 1:26:55 GMT -5
Hi, trublu. The Sept. 19 "TV Guide" has a section on "Returning Favorites." Under "Without a Trace" it says: "THREE'S A CROWD: Recovered from her fling with Jack, Sam (Poppy Montgomery) starts another office romance with Martin (Eric Close). But 'if Jack's suddenly available, things will get complicated,' says creator Hank Steinberg." "As the F.B.I. Office Turns."  Now, that's ruining the show for me. I don't want to see her fooling around with the guys on the show because I think it's making her very unprofessional. As we say at work...she's the company *****. I'm not trying to be nasty but when I watch a drama like this I want their private lifes to be private and I don't want to see them with each other. I'm glad CSI and CC haven't gone that route that Without A Trace is doing. 25or6to4 |
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Post by CC Fan on Sept 19, 2004 3:08:52 GMT -5
Well, I for one am happy because since the first season I've wanted Sam and Martin to get together, but I think for her to ever go back with Jack is just stupid. I mean, honestly, she doesn't need to be somebody's back up.
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Post by Trublu on Sept 19, 2004 10:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah, mee too. ive been a martin/sam shipper ever since i started watching. But, i hope that she doesnt go from guy to guy. Although according to poppy, she wants (sam) to have an affair with everyone  lol. But still, i dont think that jack is right for her. Plus, the whole thing Started when he was still married, so... |
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Post by TVFan on Sept 19, 2004 12:53:12 GMT -5
Thanks blankregus for posting that. I read it in my TV Guide and completely forgot to post it. It made me so angry! Why do they insist on ruining good shows? I will be so upset if they start a love triangle storyline on WaT. The show doesn't need this angle. The cases are strong enough. Regarding the Martin/Sam thing, I'm not thrilled with this simply b/c I fear that it will overshadow the cases, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I'll assume that it will be a minor detail until the writers prove otherwise. Having said all of that, the first episode looks really good. I'm looking forward to Thurs night!  |
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Post by CC Fan on Sept 19, 2004 16:40:34 GMT -5
Yeah thursday! CSI and WaT are premiering plus new episodes of Joey and Will & Grace. YAY!
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Post by Trublu on Sept 23, 2004 14:10:57 GMT -5
Hehe 'YAY' is right!! lol, but i think Jerry Bruckheimer usually does a good job of keeping the love triangel things under control... |
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Post by TVFan on Sept 23, 2004 15:56:21 GMT -5
TruBlu - I'm keepin the faith! (keeps fingers crossed that WaT won't become a soap opera this season b/c it's a darn good show). |
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Post by TVFan on Sept 24, 2004 10:34:03 GMT -5
Ok, so what did everybody think of the premiere?
I thought the opening segment with Sam/Martin was a bit racy! Now I know what the adult content warning in front of the show was all about. I like the fact that they're going to keep their relationship secret. I'm fine with the relationship as long as it stays in the background.
I felt bad for Jack, but I thought that his story line last night was interrupting the flow of the main story - the case. I had a hard time getting into the case b/c it kept getting inter-cut with Jack sitting around in shock. I thought Viv did a nice job with her first case as team leader. It will be interesting to see how Jack's return next time affects her job. I wonder if he'll automatically get his job back or not.
The case was interesting, but it seemed to take a back seat to all of the personal stuff I mentioned above. I felt like it was a little under developed last night for the first time. We barely got to see the time line on the white board thing! Plus, the team didn't seem to work as a team last night. They were kind of all off doing their thing. It was strange really. I think the writers were trying to balance the case with all the personal stuff they left off with last season since this was the season opener. Hopefully, the main focus will return to the cases in the weeks to come.
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Post by Trublu on Sept 24, 2004 18:05:46 GMT -5
I'm going with what you said TV. They kinda left all the personal stuff at the end, so i think they were probably getting all the major stuff out of the way.
Personaly im not sure how jack didnt see it was coming. Im not surprised that she was planning it in advance, although im surprised that she wanted to cut him out completely. Really, it was hard enough on the kid that she realized that they were getting a divorce, and then taking them away from their father? Bad move (imo) on Marie's part. Now the question is: will he go for sam?! I wonder about his job too, i would think that it wouldnt bee all that easy for him to get back. and Vivian seemed to really enjoy leading the team. (the scene in the beginning, with the media, when she's like "yeah, im in charge here' i was like, good for her.)
The Martin/ Sam stuff was a little, uh, interesting, for a lack of a better description. But anyone who watched the previews given by cbs knew it was coming. and at the finale last season, it was basically a logical conclusion. And the reverse side of the question: will sam go back for Jack?!
And now after all that, the actual case: I thought it was really underdeveloped. I basically figured out in the first ten minutes what had happened. They gave it away when they really put emphasis on the scene with trent asking them about their drinks, and then him recognizing her. and then martin finding the pictures in his room kind of sealed the deal. i didnt see it coming though, when she wandered out onto the road. I thought it would be one of the ones where he cracked on his own.
Lol, i wonder if she really liked the tea... lol funny.
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Post by CC Fan on Sept 25, 2004 22:27:45 GMT -5
First I must say that I LOVED that first scene. I'm like totally in love with Martin.
Ok, so I do agree with you guys. The whole reason these sorta shows work are because they don't get into the personal stuff to much. I really liked the case last night, I thought the acting was good and the story was good, its just that I, like you guys, felt that it sorta took a backseat to the personal storylines.
And dont hate me, but I really don't like vivian. I find her really boring and I think shes one of the most underdeveloped characters on the show. i would've much more preffered to have a whole new character come on the show. Whatever.... I dont really like most of the characters on the show (to tell you the truth) and out of all the JB shows, this is my least favorite, but I do like Sam and Martin and Jack's okay most of the time.
Right now I've been watching WaT and taping ER but if the show starts to get too personal I might have to tape WaT or maybe just stop watching.
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Post by blankregus on Sept 26, 2004 6:20:53 GMT -5
"Without a Trace" lost me a bit when Vivian and Martin didn't wind up on the street or behind bars for falsifying reports. The dives into soap opera, too numerous to mention, earn it further demerits in my book. Still, it can be really fine once in a while. ("The Line," airdate 2-5-04, about a wounded bounty hunter.) I'd also disagree about Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Vivian). Her performance in Mike Leigh's "Secrets & Lies" (1996) had an emotional span and technical resource quite beyond her "WaT" colleagues, and the Brooklyn accent is the most accurate I've ever heard from an English performer. If only she were a "babe," I guess.  |
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Post by Trublu on Sept 26, 2004 10:16:04 GMT -5
I agree with you, ccfan. im not into vivians character, but maybe if she stays as the head of the team they will have a chance to develope her character. I was surprised that she was able to mask her accent soo well. i never heard her accent until i watched an interview with her. i mostly like all the other characters though. I heard that Without A Trace beat ER in the ratings, so that's good.
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Post by CC Fan on Sept 26, 2004 13:27:44 GMT -5
If only she were a "babe," I guess. Well, not really. I mean, I don't find Jack attractive at all but I still enjoyed his character. I just think that when Jack was head, there was this sort of energy to the show, like really fast paced and you could just feel his energy like radiating off the TV screen. With vivian the episode just moved slower and I couldn't feel that energy like I can with Jack. Honestly, sometimes I felt like she didn't even want to be there. But who knows, maybe I'll like her as the season progresses and we can learn a little more about her character. |
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Post by onebyone on Sept 26, 2004 22:58:37 GMT -5
I like WAT because the acting is great, I love the cases, and because they manage to get into the personal lives of their characters subtly. Well, that is until recent episodes where the show has been about as subtle with its personal issues as Alias, ie not at all. There is a reason I don't watch Alias anymore and it is THAT. Gawd.
I will keep the faith (for now), but I really hope WAT knocks it off already.
Ok shutting up now.
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Post by Trublu on Sept 28, 2004 13:54:20 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, TNT is beginning to re-run without a trace. they started with the pilot last night, at 11. The show is sooo different! i like it! they dont have the same office, or the same.... anything. This is the episode where martin first joins the team. lol its actually a very funny episode so far. i havent finished watching yet. ill finish when im done watching. And they seem a lot more professional too. Oh, and [glow=red,2,300]Thom Barry[/glow] is in the pilot as well. He's a detective in the very beginning.
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Post by Trublu on Oct 6, 2004 18:08:13 GMT -5
New episode, tomorrow at the usual time. Looks like a doosey to me: While searching for a seemingly all-American nurses' aid, last seen on a rural road, the detectives discover that she is wanted for bombing an abortion clinic. *from www.tv-now.com* :yep: |
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Post by Ryebeach on Oct 7, 2004 21:59:51 GMT -5
Here's a nice article about "Without a Trace" and star Anthony Laplaglia: tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|91090|1|,00.html I don't watch this show because I'm an ER fan but I think I may check it out during an ER rerun this season. |
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Post by TVFan on Oct 8, 2004 9:58:00 GMT -5
Overall, I really liked last night's ep. It was a huge improvement over the season opener, IMO. There was only a passing reference to Sam/Martin (in the clinic when they posed as a couple) and Jack wasn't mopey all episode. And the huge one for me, the show focused on the case. The case was very interesting. I found myself feeling a little de-ja-vu b/c I had just watched the CSI ep before this and they had similar themes. Anyway, I thought the ending was powerful and intense. I couldn't believe Sam touched the bomb, though. I have to think in a real situation, an FBI agent wouldn't touch it, but I could be wrong. I didn't see the sniper shooting coming. I was really struck by how violent these "religious" anti-abortion activists were in this ep. The ringleader was willing to kill Lily/Maureen just so she wouldn't go to the police. Also, I felt bad for Viv. It must be really hard to finally get your dream job and then have it taken away so soon. I knew this was inevitable, but it was still unfortunate. Although, I do feel that the show will get back on track now that Jack in back in charge. The dynamics within the team and between Viv and Jack were way off the first two eps. I assume they will continue to be in the weeks to come b/c Viv is unhappily relinguishing her new position. Oh, and next week looks very interesting... |
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Post by Trublu on Oct 8, 2004 18:37:06 GMT -5
I really liked last nights episode. It was a good focused on the case one. Sam and Martin's relationship will prob. stay in the dark, sam's affair with jack did (mostly)although i wouldnt be surprised if somehow JACK managed to accidentally find out...
When Sam touched that bomb... she gave me a heart attack!!! shes my fav, so if she gets hurt... i will have some serious issues.. (not that i dont have them already, but... ;D) i was in tears during fallout....
but enough of me and my tv-watching issues.... i was kinda glad to see jack get his job back, but i felt REALLY bad for Vivian... she was doing such a good job, and after Jack screwed up thinking that it would be remote controlled.... and it wasnt, i think that will create a little suspicion...which isnt spelled right, i know...
i watched the CSI before it too... i was like, whats up with the bomb theme tonight? And the abortion thing... sound halfway familiar? i kinda connected it with 'Volunteers' with Julia and Gerard volunteering at the abortion clinic... and its still a big time issue now as well.
im not sure why the guy even bothered to kill her, he probably knew that the feds were on to him, and he'd have to run anywhays if lily/maureen ratted him out. why add another murder to list, along with the murder from the clinic and the bombs?
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Post by TVFan on Oct 15, 2004 10:36:44 GMT -5
I thought last night's ep was really interesting. I was an X-Files fan, so I LOVED the constant references. Sam cracked me up when the alien "abductees" asked if she and Martin were MIBs, and she said, "like the movie?" I liked how Martin played into the whole thing too with his somewhat extensive knowledge. How sad was the "victim?" I felt really sorry for him. I can't believe he's gotten this far in life without help. Interesting that he chose to repress his childhood nightmares with a fabricated alien abductee story. Very K-Pax (great movie BTW)! I did think, like Danny, that Jack was out of line at the end. That man is going to need serious help, and Jack forcing him to relive something so tragic was really harsh IMO. I know he's having personal problems, but he's going to need to put them aside while he's working (tough to do, I know). Sam better stop thinking what she's thinking. If he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you Sam. I saw the look in her eye when she was watching Jack. Martin is much more your type. |
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lol. But still, i dont think that jack is right for her. Plus, the whole thing Started when he was still married, so...
