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Post by boxman on Aug 9, 2006 0:03:10 GMT -5
Wow, this episode was a whole lot better than what I expected it would be. Hollywood tends to poke fun at the seventies, so I was thinking this episode would get the same dumb treatment "Charlie's Angels", "Starksky & Hutch", and "The Brady Bunch" got when they all were remade into movies in the 90's and 2000's. I'm glad they didn't do that here. Great storylines in this episode. After seeing "Disco Inferno" I can see why many of you want to see Lilly and Kite together. They had really good chemistry here. This is the third time I've noticed a mirror broken in the series. (The other two episodes are "Churchgoing People" and "Death Penalty".) Could this signify something?? I'm not sure.... I caught something as well, The song last dance well was Lilly and Kite's last dance together before he dumped her but the lyrics in the song said" last chance for love" meaning it was their last chance to be happy together as a couple. It might have been some foreshadowing of what will happen later. Hmm... Rather interesting, especially when you consider that Lilly looked as if she was having fun dancing with Kite. Another possible foreshadowing might have been encoded in the scene when Doreen took Lilly and Scotty outside the salon to talk: Doreen: Me and the Polish-American princess weren't exactly soul-sisters........and then Lilly turns to glance at Scotty.  Bwahh ha ha!!!  |
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Post by frenchfan on Aug 9, 2006 3:10:03 GMT -5
This is the third time I've noticed a mirror broken in the series. (The other two episodes are "Churchgoing People" and "Death Penalty".) Could this signify something?? I'm not sure.... I am not sure either but some reflexions around the mirror. The mirror plan sending back an accurate image of the person which looks inside, it is thus loaded with a strong symbolic connotation. He allows to see itself such as we are, but always under the same angle (face to face), notably with its defects. It is often associated to the truth, as for example the Magic Mirror of White-snow. The mirror is also the reverser of the truth. In Don Quichotte, the Knight of Mirrors is the deadly enemy of the Hidalgo whose inspiration he denies. It is also a strong symbol of the Japanese mythology, the Shintoism; it is one of the attributes of the goddess of the sun Amaterasu (or Ameratsu). The french psychanalist Jacques Lacan defines the “mirror stage”, which is the moment when the child is aware that it sees itself in a mirror. This self-knowledge (and not this recognition, since before seeing itself in a mirror, a child does not know the appearance of his face) intervene between 18 and 24 months, in general. It takes part of the installation of various feelings, such as the empathy, the pride, shame and the inversion (appearance of the negation). It is also the symbol of a door, a limit towards another world, particularly highlighted in Alice in the wonderland. But beyond the symbols in fact especially the superstitions surround the broken mirror. Before the mirrors, pensive surfaces were thought of being magic and could show the future. People would look at fixedly in water to try to see their future or to receive messages of Gods. If you broke a mirror, you would break your future. Another superstition is the reflexion in the mirror is you the heart and if you break the mirror, you break your heart. To reverse misfortune, you are supposed to bury the pieces, sometimes by the moonlight. Other superstitions are: • Breaking a mirror is seven years of misfortune. • Since your reflexion in the mirror is your heart and vampires do not have any heart, they cannot see their reflexion. • To sees her future husband, a woman should eat an apple and brush her hair in front of a mirror. Her future husband will appear behind his shoulder. • If is seen for the first time in a mirror, they will have a happy marriage. • It is unlucky person to see your face in a mirror with the gleam of the candles Ok ok I stop speaking and annoying you with stories of mirror.   |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 9, 2006 6:23:27 GMT -5
Doreen: Me and the Polish-American princess weren't exactly soul-sisters........and then Lilly turns to glance at Scotty. I didn't notice that ( runs to re-watch the episode) Good use of foreshadowing since we all know what happens in S2. It's very good work on the writers part frenchfan- Your mirror subject was very interesting  By the way Kite's singing was just too funny, but here's something else I had notice, He did touch her hand for a brief second before sitting down .. |
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 9, 2006 11:38:40 GMT -5
Caught this re-run last night on TNT ... have to say I was a bit surprised at how UNinterested I was in this ep.  I am not sure what I was expecting, but this is the first S1 ep that I did not really get into as much as I thought I might. The story, while interesting (or intriguing?) it centered around the disco, seemed kind of average for me. Enjoyed: Dad vs. Benny ... tradition vs. youth. Reminded me of the 50s, when adults/parents thought rock n' roll was going to be the downfall of an entire youth generation. I could identify with Benny trying to step out and become something other than what his father - and/or society - expected. Lilly/Kite ... glad Lilly was still holding Kite accountable for his actions in "The Letter" (re: the exhumation issue). Also glad to see how she is now on to his whole I-do-for-you-you-do-for-me routine - which if nothing else should further suggest what Kite's real motives are once again (e.g., conquering Lilly). Chemistry was once again enjoyable to watch, and I still so very much enjoy seeing a much lighter, funnier, playful side of Lilly. Seems we just do not see that so much anymore ... but perhaps it'll return in the upcoming season if she gets to get back to trying to have a life. All in all, the ep was O.K., but am not thinking it will be in my favorite re-watch episode rotation. |
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Post by coldcasegirl on Aug 9, 2006 20:35:06 GMT -5
Yeah the past rerun on TNT was the first time I had seen this episode. I liked it pretty well too. I loved it when Stillman and everyone else called Jefferies "Will Dancin' Jefferies"....it was so funny, and then at the end he is dancing, that was funny too. And I also enjoyed the part where Lilly is in Kite's office and he starts to sing and dance, and I love it when she starts smiling, and she is trying really hard not to laugh. It's really funny  *But overall, I liked this episode...the plot played out very well and it wasn't the worst one ever produced!  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 9, 2006 20:42:49 GMT -5
Okay I'll admit something , Lilly does seem really in love with kite. But getting back to something FrenchFan said earlier about the mirror breaking. It could also symbolize and foreshadow the breakdown of their meaning Lilly and Kite's relationship. I loved Jefferies busting a move, but somehow I could see Stillman out there doing disco moves.
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Post by coldcasegirl on Aug 9, 2006 20:52:42 GMT -5
I loved Jefferies busting a move, but somehow I could see Stillman out there doing disco moves. yeah I could see Stillman doing that, but, LOL, when Lilly asked him, he didn't admit to anything and he kinda blushed...that was pretty funny ;D |
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Post by mikencelia on Aug 10, 2006 9:44:48 GMT -5
I saw this episode for the first time on the TNT rerun last night. While it was not a compelling drama, it was entertaining. I think that the episode would be enhanced for viewers if they could well remember the whole disco scene in NYC, NJ, Philly. I hate to say I was a sophomore in high school when disco started. The clothes and hair were exactly right. They actors didn't quite have the ethnicity down, but that's hard to do if you're not a native NYC or Philly or Jersey person. Outide of those areas, I would be surprised if viewers knew what a "shiksa" was or a "Bagel Boy" or even when the guy said "a frisbee on his head" and all the references to "the nose." Also, Orthodox Jews do not dress in the manner that they did. They were more Conservative Jews by the way they dressed and lived. The father said that they were Orthodox, but they were not following the rules.
And there really were "dumb doreens" who lived to be crowned disco queen.
The scene with Lilly and Kite dancing was a nice change to her character, but I didn't like her outfit or her moves.
Jeffries, on the other hand, could really move!
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 10, 2006 11:51:14 GMT -5
coldcasegirl / LII2: I loved "Disco Will" as well. That was too funny! And I did notice that it seemed as if Stillman sort of side-stepped answering whether HE did any disco back in the day. Hmmm ... mikencelia: Thanks for the additional info - quite interesting. You and boxman are seemingly the authenticators as to whether the ep has it right/wrong with respect to the locale, etc. (It's definitely helpful for me as I am not local to the area.)
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Post by mikencelia on Aug 10, 2006 13:35:02 GMT -5
[ mikencelia: Thanks for the additional info - quite interesting. You and boxman are seemingly the authenticators as to whether the ep has it right/wrong with respect to the locale, etc. (It's definitely helpful for me as I am not local to the area.)[/quote] Please...boxman is a whole lot better than me. |
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 10, 2006 15:38:40 GMT -5
Please...boxman is a whole lot better than me. Quite true that boxman is the ultimate reporter. But always good to have a back-up. |
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Post by jambled on Aug 11, 2006 12:45:17 GMT -5
What the hey is a butt bullet? Please explain!
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 11, 2006 12:48:58 GMT -5
@jambled -are you talking about the guy who got shot in the butt before the burning of the disco club
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Post by jambled on Aug 11, 2006 23:56:07 GMT -5
I guess so. The first post someone (can't remember who; sorry guys) said butt bullet and I was like... huh?
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Post by coldcasegirl on Aug 12, 2006 11:52:52 GMT -5
yeah the man who shot the victim in the cold case,it was actually his dad's gun, and the murderer's dad had also shot another man in the butt about a year before the cold case victim's death. They wanted to get the bullet out of the man's butt to try and see if it matched with the cc victim's head bullet. And it did, like it came out of the same gun...it's a little confusing now that I am reading it...but if you are still confused about something I wrote, just ask
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Post by boxman on Aug 16, 2006 0:35:27 GMT -5
....Ok ok I stop speaking and annoying you with stories of mirror. Naw. This is all very interesting. Breaking mirrors is more "Superstitious" (like you point out), rather than "Religious" or "Philosophical". I've been trying to see if there's any connection or importance to breaking mirrors in this show, but there doesn't seem to be any. It seems to happen only just for the "shock factor" and drama in having a mirror break. So like what LII2 noticed in "Hubris", I think the show places strong importance to Religion and Philosophy, but not to Superstition. So when mirrors break in this show, it seems to signify nothing important... (Of course, I haven't seen much of Season Two, so I still can't say all this with certainty. ) But anyway, the show seems to enjoy making the statement that Religion and Philosophy are important belief systems, while Superstition is not. For example, in Season Three's "The River", the Chinese woman gave the Dr. Grant Bowen her jade pendant for good luck. It didn't help him any. Also in that same episode, the Ace of Spades is another superstitious symbol that works against Cyrus Tisdale... mikencelia: Thanks for the additional info - quite interesting. You and boxman are seemingly the authenticators as to whether the ep has it right/wrong with respect to the locale, etc. (It's definitely helpful for me as I am not local to the area.) Thanks.... And where exactly is "Stage 22"??  |
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Post by jambled on Aug 25, 2006 2:48:08 GMT -5
coldcasegirl: Thanks so much for explaining! I got the clip from the ep where Kite sings at Lilly... And it has to be nearly my favourite moment out of that season! Sooo cute! 'No sale.' 'Outta luck?' 'Try again tomorrow.' - that was the cutest exchange. And the way Lil was kind of kicked back on the couch, as if she's quite comfy hanging out in Kite's office. And then he sings! Hee. Makes me giggle every time... and then after Kite comes up with a plan: 'do I have to do anything in return?' '...dance.' Hee! I looooooved this!
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Post by coldcasegirl on Aug 26, 2006 18:28:14 GMT -5
you're welcome jambled ;D I love it when Kite starts singing to Lilly too, it's so funny  |
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Post by eurache on Jan 12, 2008 19:50:53 GMT -5
RE=AIRING JANUARY 15TH, 2008
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Post by eurache on Jun 7, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JUNE 12, 2008 (5AM)
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Bwahh ha ha!!! 
I am not sure what I was expecting, but this is the first S1 ep that I did not really get into as much as I thought I might. The story, while interesting (or intriguing?) it centered around the disco, seemed kind of average for me.
