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Post by TVFan on Mar 4, 2006 11:43:19 GMT -5
I'm under the impression Lilly didn't know he was gonna be around one more night cos she said to him earlier something about him being on the road and clocking in for work. She thought he'd already be gone. What I ask is that if he doesn't feel anything for her why bother going back to Philly to see her? I mean he's a pretty hot guy he's probably not short of women chasing him. Even if she contacted him, why bother to make the effort if he didn't feel something for her? Maybe it was just curiousity? But why did he go to her work and not just head back home and why did he look disappointed when she wouldn't skip work to go for a ride. And finally why did he show up at her door after she had said goodbye to him at work? IMO he's gotta have some feelings for her. This is how I see it as well sonny. I definitely think that Ray has feelings for her, but I agree that we weren't given a lot to go on. I think that's pretty par for the course, though, with CC. It's definitely a show that likes the audience to fill in the blanks. I appreciate that vote of cofidence from the writing staff since they're basically saying that their audience is intelligent enough that they don't need to be hit over the head with the information. On the other hand, when it comes to Lilly and her relationships, I want a little more spelling it out and a little less gray area.  |
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Post by sonny on Mar 4, 2006 11:48:24 GMT -5
This is how I see it as well sonny. I definitely think that Ray has feelings for her, but I agree that we weren't given a lot to go on. I think that's pretty par for the course, though, with CC. It's definitely a show that likes the audience to fill in the blanks. I appreciate that vote of cofidence from the writing staff since they're basically saying that their audience is intelligent enough that they don't need to be hit over the head with the information. On the other hand, when it comes to Lilly and her relationships, I want a little more spelling it out and a little less gray area. But as Kathryn says in that Tango magazine interview, women are all about the gray areas! I too would like things spelt out a little more; and I'm keeping my fingers crossed we get something more on this. They simply can't leave it or what would have been the point of doing this in the first place? You seeing things the way I see them is a total honour TVFan!  |
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Post by scottyandlillyfan on Mar 4, 2006 16:55:19 GMT -5
It was a good episode. Being a Scotty and Lilly fan I think Scotty was a little jealous of Ray being with Lilly.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 4, 2006 16:57:51 GMT -5
It was a good episode. Being a Scotty and Lilly fan I think Scotty was a little jealous of Ray being with Lilly. I thhought that too , I am too A lilly/scotty fan also :smile92: |
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 12:54:28 GMT -5
And one more thing -- boxman said that he had known more about his friend after 2 minutes than Lilly about Ray after the whole night. What if Lil did not want him to talk about things that happened? Maybe she asked him to focus on here-and-now only? Everyone has got the other sire of his/her personality which only few people know... You know what I mean, don't you?  Sure, ewka, I understand. We are looking at Lilly and Ray's first night the same way. You say Lilly (or even both of them) wanted to only focus on here-and-now, and I am saying that too, that they only wanted to take a motorcycle ride or to sleep together. The difference is that you are saying that it is okay to be that way, correct?? Because I feel it is not okay to be that way. To me, it is weird and not normal for people that have been apart for a long time to not want to talk about how their life has changed. It doesn't matter who the two people are, and its especially strange behavior for two people who once considered marriage. Today is Sunday. Tommorrow, you will see friends you haven't seen since Friday. What if you told them, "Look, it is Monday. I don't want to talk about the weekend"?? What if one of your girlfriends was looking forward to tell you about the cute guy she met on Saturday? What if your boyfriend wanted to tell you that he couldn't call you this weekend because a favorite relative had passed away?? Would they like the fact that you don't want to talk? Wouldn't they think you are being selfish and strange in focusing on Monday, when there is a lot to talk about in just the past two days? Certainly, there is a lot that Lilly might want to talk with to Ray. After all, she is a policewoman that deals a lot with nice people that was murdered. Why wouldn't she want to talk about that? Don't you think that she would like to talk about the group of friends she got to know in the episode "8 Years"? Don't you think she wants to say something like, "Ray, after all these years, I still have the pictures we took on your old Harley, remember those photos? We were so young then!" I'm stil up for this debate, maybe later.. Not much of a debate, LII, since we both agree that Lilly and Scotty should hook up. ;D But of course, the show's drama would pretty much end at that point if it ever happened! |
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Post by ewka on Mar 5, 2006 13:58:12 GMT -5
This August my friend who I haven't seen for 6 years came to my house. Since we're both 16 now, it's like 1/3 of our whole life. I never expected to see her again. Of course, I tried to learn about her everything I could (she moved faaar, to Italy!), but I wouldn't do it if she told me we had only several hours to spend together.
I think that's what Lilly and Ray did. Imagine yourself in that situation, don't you want to find out how that person is now?
You ask me if I find it correct? Hm, I don't know, but I'd do the same thing. I am not correct ;]
Btw, I am not going to argue about it, but since I choose between Kite and Ray, Scotty faded out for me ;P
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 15:41:06 GMT -5
This August my friend who I haven't seen for 6 years came to my house. Since we're both 16 now, it's like 1/3 of our whole life. I never expected to see her again. Of course, I tried to learn about her everything I could (she moved faaar, to Italy!), but I wouldn't do it if she told me we had only several hours to spend together. I think that's what Lilly and Ray did. Imagine yourself in that situation, don't you want to find out how that person is now? You ask me if I find it correct? Hm, I don't know, but I'd do the same thing. I am not correct ;] Hmm.... I'm a little confused, ewka. Are you saying that your friend is a completely different person now, than the person she was six years ago? |
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Post by sonny on Mar 5, 2006 15:45:21 GMT -5
Maybe all they did talk about was the old days, and not the here and now? :smile10: Gee, I hope we find out! :smile43:
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 15:52:31 GMT -5
Maybe all they did talk about was the old days, and not the here and now?  Gee, I hope we find out!  Me too sonny , That's what the episode was missing |
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 16:37:29 GMT -5
Maybe all they did talk about was the old days, and not the here and now? Perhaps.... That is an interesting suggestion and I can see that happening. So to explain why they didn't seem to talk much, ewka suggests that they stayed in the here-and-now. Lilly and Ray used their short time together to only enjoy each other's company without getting into a big conversation. Then we can guess that: 1) They made whoopie all night, without talking much, or 2) They went out somewhere, like on a motorcycle ride. Maybe they went to a loud disco and couldn't talk much? Lilly likes to dance, right? But Ray doesn't seem to be the dancing type.... Sonny suggests that they stayed in the past. Perhaps they both were uncomfortable to open up to each other? That would seem to fit Lilly's personality, and say a lot about Ray. Maybe Ray is like Julius--he works on his motorcycles day-after-day, just like Julius works on his car for a long time without talking to other people. So if they only wanted to relive the old days, then we can guess that they: 3) Sat around and talked about the time when he was younger and she was 19, or 4) They did something they both enjoyed those many years ago, such as make whoopie, ride motorcycle, or something else we haven't been revealed yet. Hmm..... :smile80: |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 16:42:44 GMT -5
Boxman, you made some interesting suggestions to what happened that night....
I think going on a bike ride and just being together made it all worth while..
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 17:05:10 GMT -5
Boxman, you made some interesting suggestions to what happened that night.... I think going on a bike ride and just being together made it all worth while.. But you see, LII, most 'thirtysomething' people have enough years to be looking beyond having a companion to do things with, such as make whoopie or ride motorcycle. Thirtysomethings with a healthy attitude towards relationships tend to look more for a friend to live life with; and very likely, both are looking several decades ahead towards raising kids, buying their first or second house, finish paying off college loans, moving up in a career that already is established, and so forth. Having a companion to ride motorcycle or a lover to make whoopie with becomes a much smaller part of the relationship. Do you see why I'm disappointed with Ray and Lilly? Neither of them were there in this kind of thinking, don't you agree? |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 17:21:32 GMT -5
I agree , I guess i see it from a younger point of view.... since I'm only in my early 20's I am too disappointed with lilly and ray .
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 17:55:58 GMT -5
I agree , I guess i see it from a younger point of view.... since I'm only in my early 20's I am too disappointed with lilly and ray . I always found it interesting that you're one of the the biggest supporter of a Lilly/Scotty relationship. Like I said earlier, I feel that they should hook up too. Of course, we're not going to see that..... Ha ha ha... I'm watching "Cops" right now---they're in New Orleans for Marti Gras. They just busted a Chicaco couple for making whoopie in the streets! :smile81: Oh God, those two are so totally out of it.... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 17:59:50 GMT -5
Your a shipper too , At least i'm not the only only who wants those two together. Scotty cares for lilly in a lot of ways ,he would do anything to protect her.
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 18:11:49 GMT -5
Your a shipper too , At least i'm not the only only who wants those two together. Scotty cares for lilly in a lot of ways ,he would do anything to protect her. From what I've seen on the show so far, Lilly seems to have problems forgiving people and letting them be human and make dumb human mistakes. That's okay with me--I think that's what makes her a good detective. You know, I don't think anyone has noted how Lilly gave Scotty a really nice 'see you tommorrow' smile just before Ray shows up on his Harley. I think that was nice, considering how sour she was in "Wishing". The ice thawed a little at that moment. Did you notice that after Lilly makes that 'two kinds of sisters' swipe, how Scotty's eyes rolled up a bit? Like he was saying to himself, "Oh brother. Here we go again." ha ha ha. Poor guy. btw, what's a 'shipper'? |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 18:15:40 GMT -5
Thing btwn them is over, Lilly has forgvien scotty about that incident.. I did catch that smile , i think in her own way she really loves him. A shipper is someone who wants a Lilly/scotty romance....
The two sisters ,thing was so funny poor scotty. I think they will get closer but not right this moment. :smile92:
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Post by boxman on Mar 5, 2006 18:29:47 GMT -5
I think they will get closer but not right this moment. Do you ever watch the "X-Files"? They tip-toed a Scully/Mulder romance for years. I finally watched the X-Files movie, "Fight the Future" last night. They got really close to kissing each other--but of course they didn't. It was really funny--something you know you would never see! I think a Scotty/Lilly relationship is going to be the same. It will be fun to watch how close the two get. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 5, 2006 18:33:30 GMT -5
I used to love the x-files , i knew those two would get together.... Maybe in the later season Lilly and scotty Might , I'm not sure how the storyline will go ,anything could happen
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Post by myril on Mar 6, 2006 6:23:46 GMT -5
But you see, LII, most 'thirtysomething' people have enough years to be looking beyond having a companion to do things with, such as make whoopie or ride motorcycle. Thirtysomethings with a healthy attitude towards relationships tend to look more for a friend to live life with; and very likely, both are looking several decades ahead towards raising kids, buying their first or second house, finish paying off college loans, moving up in a career that already is established, and so forth. Having a companion to ride motorcycle or a lover to make whoopie with becomes a much smaller part of the relationship. They do? Well, than I guess I'm having no healthy attitude towards relationsships. For me it depends much on the day and the other person. Actually I think I was more looking for a friend to live life with at the end of my Twenties than I do now - maybe disillusion. And looking decades forward could be a scary thought, because you can already look decades back. As a single woman in the thirties you quite likely feel at times like some opportunites might already be out of reach for you, because there is still some expectation that by now you already should have a family and a house and settled down. While watching the ep I had to think much of a guy I had a crush on some time ago. Anyone asking me might hear something from me like, tell him I'm dead (especially when I would think, that's not their business), but when I would see him, I can picture me jumping on his bike without a long prolog. If once you've known someone very close, you might not need many words, a look, a smile could be enough to get back your old feelings of closeness. It would be a mix of sentiment and living the moment. And perhaps even some not very realistic hope to turn the clock back or get a late second chance. Lilly might be thinking a lot about herself and her life at the moment, questioning where she is now and if she wants to go on like that, think I'm not the only one having this impression. And then suddenly someone shows up, Lilly obviously had some good time with despite all. More than that, someone who gave her a chance to live a side of herself, she seldom shows (anymore), she perhaps even decided not to live at a certain point of her life. There were good reasons for it, but still, who could tell how life would have turned out if you'd decided against reason back then? I think it can be really tempting to try, how it would feel now, if it's an option again, if now years later with more experience things could work better. Hahaha, well boxman, but you could be right, not much might have happen that night. We don't know and it's funny that most of us had just one thought about it. The writers are playing with our imagination and assumptions, aren't they? |
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