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Post by irishkale on Dec 22, 2008 20:30:57 GMT -5
"Someone Clipped Her wings" --> Hey this was Lilly giving her best "David Caruso" CSI Miami Stinger!!!! At least she didn't put on her sunglasses before delivering the line! Lol.  |
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Post by mitchy on Dec 22, 2008 20:39:16 GMT -5
"Someone Clipped Her wings" --> Hey this was Lilly giving her best "David Caruso" CSI Miami Stinger!!!! At least she didn't put on her sunglasses before delivering the line! Lol. Bwah! I was just about to explain to Eduardo that the reason I didn't like the line is because it was so obvious, cliched and trite and it's something I would expect CSI:Miami to do! |
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Post by Electrophile on Dec 22, 2008 21:08:12 GMT -5
"Someone Clipped Her wings" --> Hey this was Lilly giving her best "David Caruso" CSI Miami Stinger!!!! At least she didn't put on her sunglasses before delivering the line! Lol. "Horatio, it looks like she was a stewardess." "It appears someone.................clipped her wings." YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Don't get me wrong, I love CSI: Miami, but that just has to stop. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 22, 2008 23:12:08 GMT -5
Ok. It's not that I loved the line but It's something I don't really mind... What I hated the most is the Scotty/Frankie issue  I mean, She is not really likable and she's extremely desperate for Scotty...and the fact that I do not like Scotty(I still hope Justin Chambers could return some day at least for 1 episode) Well...He always gets a lot of space for his toxic loves---While Stillman, Jeffries, Vera and Kat HAVE NEVER GOT 10% of that space for personal issues(Lilly is the star, so she's special) |
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Post by myril on Dec 23, 2008 5:38:32 GMT -5
Before I saw the promo I knew that line would be in there. I can partially see why they used it, when you clip a bird's wings they can't fly anymore. As a stewardess (excuse me, flight attendant), she was then "grounded". However, there's another rationale behind the usage of the phrase, although it didn't come to light until after the episode ended. She was trying to organize better working conditions for her co-workers, and trying to institute "fair play" as Helen put it. When Gloria killed her, she ended Ally's ability to help her fellow stews and made them to continue to suffer in the working conditions they had at the time. She was essentially cut down to size for trying to help others. It's called "tall poppy syndrome". The one sticking up far above the others is the first one to get cut down. You see it used a lot when dealing with people like John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. Not saying Ally was on par with those three accomplished men, but in 1960 for a woman to butt heads with management over sexual harassment in the work place was a rare, if not completely unheard of feat. This doesn't make the line less cheesy or cliched, but the reason for its usage does exist. I agree, electrophile, it made sense, because of all the reasons you wrote, picked that up immediately. Nevertheless it was too obviously put there. That pun and the blood spreading on the white sheet covering the body actually were the first hints giving me the story and doer pretty much from the start (okay figured it out in the first third, after all involved had been at least once shown). White sheet = innocence (though in some cultures white is a color of death, not as much a color of innocence). Gloria believed in her innocence, it was the one thing keeping her life together, as she believed in what she was doing and that is was okay, she was thrilled to be a supervisor. She despised and then felt threatened by Ally's rebellious and questioning side, so "clipping her wings". What a sad figur Gloria was. Sort of like the bad stepmother in snow white (so not mother but lover here). Something different, maybe someone can help me with that. The entry of the "stewardesses" at the beginning gave me the feeling, that I've seen something alike before, in some other show, movie or maybe a commercial. Taxed my brain already, but don't know where. Anyone any idea?  |
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Post by Electrophile on Dec 23, 2008 9:54:31 GMT -5
The opening scene of this episode mirrored the opening moments of the movie Catch Me If You Can. In that movie, Leonardo DiCaprio played a con man who among other cons, pretended to be a pilot for Pan Am.
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Post by Naj on Dec 23, 2008 11:44:50 GMT -5
Growing up in the 60's (okay so i was only a couple years old) it was rather sickening to see women being treated as they were. It's really not that long ago! Those red outfits were awful! I too loved the Kat gets coffee and exchange between S & K during Scotty's interview with Rowland Hughes! They really tried to make him feel like things hadn't changed much in all those years. I'm liking Kat a whole lot this season. Would love to see her and Lilly become friends do more cases together. ;D
Lilly and Cooper. Cooper isn't the kind of father I imagined. When I thought of him back when Lilly's mom was around and even before I pictured this deadbeat on welfare - drinking and boozing like Lilly's mom. But this is just not the case! Pleasant surprise. I don't understand Lilly's inability to act like a mature adult around her family and why not say her mother has died? She's still acting like she's six years old. Will Lilly find out that her mom's dissatisfaction of her father caused Lilly to harbor resentment all these years towards him when the problem person in the family was really Lilly's mom? Hope this storyline is worth it and not just cut off in some unsatisfactory way as they seem to do with this show. ETA: The Lilly/Cooper talk is the best performance I've seen from KM recently on this show and I loved how she played it. I also like the actor who plays Lilly's father.
Frankie's gotta go. Her character is so totally disinteresting and I found no chemistry, whatsoever, between her and Scotty.
Oh and the "clipped her wings" line looked like it pained the actor to say. It was hokey ...
I'm still looking for a Best of Season ep. This one fell somewhere between Good and Excellent.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 23, 2008 12:39:36 GMT -5
Growing up in the 60's (okay so i was only a couple years old) it was rather sickening to see women being treated as they were. It's really not that long ago! Those red outfits were awful! I too loved the Kat gets coffee and exchange between S & K during Scotty's interview with Rowland Hughes! They really tried to make him feel like things hadn't changed much in all those years. I'm liking Kat a whole lot this season. Would love to see her and Lilly become friends do more cases together. ;D Lilly and Cooper. Cooper isn't the kind of father I imagined. When I thought of him back when Lilly's mom was around and even before I pictured this deadbeat on welfare - drinking and boozing like Lilly's mom. But this is just not the case! Pleasant surprise. I don't understand Lilly's inability to act like a mature adult around her family and why not say her mother has died? She's still acting like she's six years old. Will Lilly find out that her mom's dissatisfaction of her father caused Lilly to harbor resentment all these years towards him when the problem person in the family was really Lilly's mom? Hope this storyline is worth it and not just cut off in some unsatisfactory way as they seem to do with this show. ETA: The Lilly/Cooper talk is the best performance I've seen from KM recently on this show and I loved how she played it. I also like the actor who plays Lilly's father. Frankie's gotta go. Her character is so totally disinteresting and I found no chemistry, whatsoever, between her and Scotty. Oh and the "clipped her wings" line looked like it pained the actor to say. It was hokey ... I'm still looking for a Best of Season ep. This one fell somewhere between Good and Excellent. Hi Naj... Yeah; That Frankie has to leave asap! she is not likeable at all |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 24, 2008 22:03:30 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there one point where Cooper more or less says something to the effect that the gap in the relationship was caused by Lilly, and not him? I seem to remember it was after he said that, that Lilly became upset.
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Post by Collider on Dec 24, 2008 22:10:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there one point where Cooper more or less says something to the effect that the gap in the relationship was caused by Lilly, and not him? I seem to remember it was after he said that, that Lilly became upset. He did, yea. He made the point that he'd sent her letters, which she confirmed having received, but never bothered replying because "[she] was fifteen". So, yea, the blame rests pretty squarely on her shoulders and not his. |
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Post by pavlovsdog on Jan 12, 2009 21:20:06 GMT -5
Not a bad episode at all, but I seem to have this nagging feeling it could have been better. The glamourous world of airlines, I felt had more potential.
Two things also bother me.
1. Ages- I try not to be too anal about this, but the age gaps bothered me here. If the stewardesses were early 20's in 1960 and the pilots were early 30's, then today they would be late 60's and late 70's. Impression i got was that the characters were maybe 7-12 years too young in the modern era.
2. Repetitiveness - in the recent episode 'Pin Up Girl', we had a similar case of a young woman making a stand in a man's world, although admittedly the motive for the murder was slightly different, there was still an element of jealously and bitterness in both cases.
I also seem to think an earlier season has had a similar theme of young, feisty woman making a stand before her time and being killed by another woman who has a vested interest in stopping her leading a fight.
Can anyone remember such an episode or am I getting confused?
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 12, 2009 22:16:03 GMT -5
Your referrring to an episode called" The Hen House" back in S3
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 13, 2009 0:46:32 GMT -5
Not a bad episode at all, but I seem to have this nagging feeling it could have been better. The glamourous world of airlines, I felt had more potential. Two things also bother me. 1. Ages- I try not to be too anal about this, but the age gaps bothered me here. If the stewardesses were early 20's in 1960 and the pilots were early 30's, then today they would be late 60's and late 70's. Impression i got was that the characters were maybe 7-12 years too young in the modern era. 2. Repetitiveness - in the recent episode 'Pin Up Girl', we had a similar case of a young woman making a stand in a man's world, although admittedly the motive for the murder was slightly different, there was still an element of jealously and bitterness in both cases. I also seem to think an earlier season has had a similar theme of young, feisty woman making a stand before her time and being killed by another woman who has a vested interest in stopping her leading a fight. Can anyone remember such an episode or am I getting confused? Through the Cold Case history, we always have these cases where a woman in 1940-1970s is trying to do something that was reserved to men only... "Pin up Girl" and "Wings" ere really different... maybe the victims were kind of similar but not that much LII2 said it could be The Hen House but in That episode the killer was a man... You could be talking about Torn, The Goodbye Room where the victim is killed by another woman... maybe Torn because in that one Frances was fighting for women's rights |
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Post by myril on Jan 13, 2009 2:53:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it might be Torn, you're thinking of.
I like that they have some cases, where the victims were persons standing for their rights and/or other people's rights, especially women in a men's world. But it's a general tendency in CC, to have such characters, male and female characters alike, though the motive of murder can be a different one, mostly is. Love/jealousy and money/envy are common motives. In this case the victim wasn't murdered, because she stood up for rights for female workers (flight attendences), but because another woman saw her love threatened.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 13, 2009 6:52:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it might be Torn, you're thinking of. I like that they have some cases, where the victims were persons standing for their rights and/or other people's rights, especially women in a men's world. But it's a general tendency in CC, to have such characters, male and female characters alike, though the motive of murder can be a different one, mostly is. Love/jealousy and money/envy are common motives. In this case the victim wasn't murdered, because she stood up for rights for female workers (flight attendences), but because another woman saw her love threatened. That's right myril but the show did a good job showing she was brave to fight for women's rights |
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Post by stillmanfan on Apr 20, 2010 16:26:39 GMT -5
Totally don't like Frankie but I'm sure they won't last long.
I liked that Vera threw a wadded paper at Valens though.
The meeting with Cooper and Rush just seemed forced or something. I mean I would think Cooper would have wanted to know where his daughter was all this time.
I thought it was a stewardess who killed Ally but didn't think it was Gloria.
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Post by ninja1088 on Apr 21, 2010 0:03:30 GMT -5
Gloria was in denial mode big time. Sadly, she's not unlike many women and men who engage in an affair with a married person,only to discover later they were nothing more than a fling.
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Post by cclatinfan on Apr 21, 2010 10:40:19 GMT -5
 I don't like Franky either. I would love to see Scotti with a new lady, but one with a hearth and feelings, not just a hot body...like what we've seen lately. I'm still waiting for Cooper to give Lilly a big hug... his daughter came looking for him, that's a big thing. but, I don't think we will ever see that. 
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Post by Electrophile on Apr 21, 2010 12:35:34 GMT -5
We did, though. In the episode Officer Down, Lilly's father came to see her when he heard that a detective had been shot, and he gave her a medallion and hugged her. She later went into an interview room and cried.
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Post by cclatinfan on Apr 25, 2010 20:36:11 GMT -5
I don't think that was a hug. He gave her a pat on the shoulder, as he was leaving the office. I'm still waiting for a father/daughter hug, that would be nice to see!!!
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I mean, She is not really likable and she's extremely desperate for Scotty...and the fact that I do not like Scotty(I still hope Justin Chambers could return some day at least for 1 episode)
I don't like Franky either. I would love to see Scotti with a new lady, but one with a hearth and feelings, not just a hot body...like what we've seen lately. 
