Ep. 4.15 Blood on the Tracks

[longislanditalian2]

We have seen Louie before, in S1 " Gleen" and " Volunteers"

I think Louie was flirting a little with Lilly, I can't see them as a couple.

[LillyKat]

longislanditalian2 said:

We have seen Louie before, in S1 " Gleen" and " Volunteers"

I think Louie was flirting a little with Lilly, I can't see them as a couple.

Wow, I totally don't remember Louie from "Volunteers" (I've not seen "Gleen"). Good memory, LII.

And no, definitely can't see L and L as a couple. (But Lou can flirt with Lil' - it's cute. )

[riche]

longislanditalian2 said:

We have seen Louie before, in S1 " Gleen" and " Volunteers"

Thanks LII2, I'll have to check that out next time I'm passing that way.

I think Louie was flirting a little with Lilly, I can't see them as a couple.

"Lil' Louie" - sounds familiar

I didn't take it as flirting in that sense. Just a fun little exchange. It's nice to have a little bright spot in the day, must be a lot of dark bits in their lines of work. And making a pretty girl smile is always nice, and that was a nice smile.

[koufax]

WHEN NAJ WROTE

"I thought this was a so so eppy. Some of the case themes seem to have not grown. Something I thought would have gotten better with each season. Season 2 is the season to beat."
I agree completely and think the reason is that in that season the character of Lilly Rush was either very sympathetic to the victim's families or very angry with the possible murderer.

[riche]

I'm sure we all have favourite episodes and favourite times in the development of the various characters. However, they are (supposed to be) people, and people are changed and shaped by their experiences. Every show with the characters the same would get a little dull.

CC is not a soap opera like some shows, the cop characters are secondary to the case in hand, but they have to progress them somewhat to keep the viewers coming back. All have gone through various stages in their life over the past few years.

Perhaps Lilly is less sympathetic or angry because she has realised that getting herself so involved personally with each case is not good for her. It has hurt her personal life.

[eurache]

OMGs.. it's like a three way opinion tie here ;D

[koufax]

For me, the first two seasons were definately superior to the last two seasons because of the reasons stated above. As for the personal life stuff, considering most episodes do not really involve or go into detail regarding the characters personal life I want to see the case evolve through the detectives' eyes and feelings.

[longislanditalian2]

riche said:

I'm sure we all have favourite episodes and favourite times in the development of the various characters. However, they are (supposed to be) people, and people are changed and shaped by their experiences. Every show with the characters the same would get a little dull.

CC is not a soap opera like some shows, the cop characters are secondary to the case in hand, but they have to progress them somewhat to keep the viewers coming back. All have gone through various stages in their life over the past few years.

[glow=red,2,300]Perhaps Lilly is less sympathetic or angry because she has realised that getting herself so involved personally with each case is not good for her. It has hurt her personal life[/glow].

I totally Agree with you Riche perfectly said.

[riche]

Also Lilly is clearly more affected by cases that are close to heart, echoing part of her own life. Cases involving children in particular, especially young girls and their mothers, seem to bring up issues for her. There have been less of them recently.

[longislanditalian2]

I think that Johanna was dropping a clue to Lilly and Scotty by mentioning the Orchids, knowing that that clue would be reaveled later on.

At the end where Sara's ghost is shown it goes back to what Lilly said earlier on" When you kill someone does your soul leave your body"? It was kind of evident when her ghost showed up and how emotionless Johanna was .

[boxman]

lillykat said:

@boxman - really nice post.

Thanks, LillyKat. I was a little worried that I might offend some with my critique of the episode, especially since others did enjoy it a lot.

coldcasegirl said:

Anyone else notice how Lilly wore a green shirt? She has never worn green before! (not lately, if I'm wrong , but it's always fun to see her in new colors! Not always black and blue! ;D

ColdCaseGirl, do you think there's any symbolic significance to that?? After all, Lilly is wearing that green shirt during a scene where Sara/Johanna is explaining the symbolism of orchids....

[longislanditalian2]

Sorry to cut in but maybe Lilly is wearing a green shirt maybe to symbolize how much she wants a family, or that family she never had?? Or Perhaps Lilly likes the color green and wanted to wear something new for a change.

[toddsmitts]

-All in all a pretty good episode, even though the revelation that "Sara" was really Johanna was anything but a surprise for me. Firstly because the cast list unintentionally spoiled it for me, though it would have been obvious anyway for a number of reasons:

1)In the very first scene, they mention the resemblance between the two women.

2)Only Jack was seen in the house when it blew up. If there's one thing I've learned about TV and movie storytelling it's this: if you don't actually see someone dead, they ain't dead!!!

3)Johanna was present in all of "Sara" 's flashbacks.

-I guess the real Sara didn't have any close family or friends who could easily tell it was an imposter.

-I'm a little torn though actually. On the one hand, this is the third episode we've had in the span of a year where a character presumed dead turns up alive (I know I'm not the only one who caught that). On the other, it actually fit the episode quite well.

-Bit of a difference with the end montage this time: most show the guest characters going on with their lives once the case is solved. Here the episode ends with all of them either dead or going to jail. I notice Lilly only saw Jack but not Sara. I wonder why (yes, I know we saw her reflection in the car window when Johanna was arrested).

-I thought at first Porter was being a little harsh when he called Johanna a manipulative b!tch but it turns out he wasn't too far off. She practically seduces him into blowing up her husband with the promise that they could be together and then fakes her death and lets him think he killed her for the next twenty-six years? Man, that's cold.

-I recognized Kelly Overton, (the real Johanna) from a memorable episode of "Without a Trace" playing a woman who goes missing at her own wedding. It turns out the groom's father was a nasty SOB who sexually abused her as a child and tried to have her killed to cover up what he'd done once she made it clear she would tell his son.

-I caught this totally by accident, but in the very last shot with Lilly to the right is a casebox for an H. Lester (as in "The Lost Soul of...") It'd be interesting to see if we can ever glimpse the names of past victims on the caseboxes. I kind of wish the show would make subtle references earlier episodes once in a while. I realize this isn't "Lost" and you can have every character be the friend/aunt/illegitimate red-headed ex-step-cousin-in-law of someone from another episode (plus how many unsolved cases can one person be connected to?) but it would be nice to have it happen once in a while.

Edited to add: I was wracking my brain trying to figure out where else I'd seen, Sam McMurray, who played the older version of Zimmerman and thanks to IMDB, I finally got it: He played Chandler's boorish boos on several episodes of "Friends"! Also, I'm don't really watch it but Jame Bamber (Jack) is probably best known for playing "Apollo" on the new "Battlestar Galactica".

[longislanditalian2]

I've noticed something as well, Herman Lester's box appears a couple of times during this season I wonder why

[Disasterfreak]

Maybe I've grown mellow or you really just gotta live in the US to get hit by all the political issues, but I didn't judge this episode half as harsh as most people here. Not that I mind criticism--bring on a good debate anytime!

I just thought it was a pretty good episode. I figured from the first because of the little hints that Sara would turn out to be Johanna, so no surprise there. But the twists and the motivations seemed coherent to me. The Stillman story provided good comic relief (or "cuteness" relief, whichever you prefer) and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Maybe my optimistic outlook is due to the fact I hadn't watched Cold Case in over 2 months... everything looks great after all this time. This really IS a good show, I'd just forgotten. ;D

[eurache]

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[eduardodelroice]

No one has commented in this episode thread for almost 2 yrs!
I love watching reruns ;D

Feb 20, 2007 18:03:27 GMT -5 @riche said:

At the end of the opening flashback (if you see what I mean), just before the explosion, Jack sees a figure run past the doorway. This was never referred to again or explained. Johanna had long gone and the one who's name we shall not say was asleep on the sofa, weren't they?

Feb 20, 2007 18:39:59 GMT -5 TVFan said:

I saw it too, RichE. I just assumed that the whistling tea kettle woke Sara up as well, but I'm not sure. Like you said, it wasn't explained.

YEP! Now that I'm watching reruns, let me tell you that sometimes so many things are not explained... *How they discovered Rebecca's real name was Linda(Maternal Instintcs) *What were doing Valentino and Justin doing on the streets(One Night) and the shadow on this episode, I also Think it was the one who's name we shall not say

Feb 26, 2007 11:50:08 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

At the end where Sara's ghost is shown it goes back to what Lilly said earlier on" When you kill someone does your soul leave your body"? It was kind of evident when her ghost showed up and how emotionless Johanna was .

Lilly said "when you steal a life, do you leave your soul behind", the main reference was to her taking the one who's name we shall not say's place

Mar 1, 2007 19:47:03 GMT -5 toddsmitts said:

-Bit of a difference with the end montage this time: most show the guest characters going on with their lives once the case is solved. Here the episode ends with all of them either dead or going to jail. I notice Lilly only saw Jack but not Sara. I wonder why (yes, I know we saw her reflection in the car window when Johanna was arrested).

-I'm a little torn though actually. On the one hand, this is the third episode we've had in the span of a year where a character presumed dead turns up alive (I know I'm not the only one who caught that). On the other, it actually fit the episode quite well.

Sometimes to see the victim is something reasonable and sometimes it's not. in this case as a CC Freak, I think that the one who's name we shall not say was so hurt that her "dear friend" killed her and took her place that she did not want anyone to see her.
I liked how they showed Jack's ghost: Lilly saw him not as a 100% likeable victim but someone who was trying to clean up his mistake.

I can't remember the other episodes I recall Fireflies, Joseph...

WELL
I think this episode was excellent (except for the costumes that looked really like 1990)... I like when they show not very likeable victims and that the murder had a motive(cruel, but t was like that)
Johanna was a cold woman but she did not want to lose all the things she got...
Excellent =)

[stillmanfan]

Feb 19, 2007 11:47:25 GMT -5 coldcasegirl said:

I absolutely LOVED seeing Stillman and his grandson! They were both so cute! I got scared for Kat when he yelled at her to get into his office! and when he started to turn around with something in his hand, I thought it was going to be drugs or something bad!, but totallt OMG, when he pulled that juice box out with THAT facial expression, I could not stop laughing! He's such a great grandfather, and Sean's character was too cute! I hope we get to see him again sometime!! ;D

This was the part of the episode I loved the most...

I want to add the ending too, I loved it... you see the juice box then wonder if Stillman's grandson is drinking it then you see he isn't there and Stillman is the one drinking it!!