Ep. 4.08 Fireflies

[longislanditalian2]

The flashbacks Flickered like Fireflies, flickering back in time. anyone get the mention of" In the woods" possible reference to Geroge and Lilly how she fought him like Melanie did with Dale just before he shot her.

One more thing, I wonder what Lilly and Scotty talked about on the way down to W. VA ?

[Naj]

Actually the second half of the hour was superior. The first half I just couldn't get into it. It was sad and a nice twist. We've never seen them throw a box away before. I like Stillman's demeanor this season and last while interrogating.


I agree myril about the black white recurring theme. I think that's why I got turned off a the storyline initially. I was open for something new. I found the remembering of her early life a little far fetched when Lilly and Scotty found her. It was odd. For some reason that scene didn't play out to be realistic the way Lilly and Scotty approached her at the store.

[TVFan]

It was odd. For some reason that scene didn't play out to be realistic the way Lilly and Scotty approached her at the store.

I noticed this too, Naj. I think it was more of a time issue and less of a creative one. I always feel like CC could benefit from more time. Its stories are so complex and intriguing and the characters are always very rich. It's too bad that time can take away from that every now and then. This seemed to be the case for me on Sunday.

[Disasterfreak]

Gave it a good. Because, strictly and objectively speaking, it wasn't up to the technical level of others. It was really sweet and I definitely enjoyed it--kid stories always appeal to me--but there were lots of inconsistencies. Also I was kinda bugged by the fuzzy flashbacks. I know they were SUPPOSED to be that way, but it made me feel the whole time like there was something in my eye--got distracted trying to "blink it away". This story appealed to the "gut" factor--maybe too much. Definite feeling manipulation. Also (this comment may be arising from pure unadulterated ignorance, though--be warned!) I felt the racism bit was overdone (are people REALLY that blunt in real life? Have they no shame?) and I didn't believe the kid as the doer. His behavior wasn't rational and he acted altogether too deviously--so much premeditation, dumping the kid out of the state, the gun... naw, don't buy it. A kid that age, being angry, would have beat or strangled the little girl to death. And I seriously doubt he would've been able to go on with his life afterwards. I know you guys are gonna say--well, looky those kids in the UK who kidnapped the toddler and strung him to the railway lines--and all that. But it's not the same somehow. Can't really explain but... this kid just wasn't THAT messed up. Not enough to have acted that way.

I absolutely flipped when they discovered the victim was alive. Suspected they might do that from the first, and was crossing my fingers that they would, because, except for Joseph and that jailbird guy, they never had before--and I SO wanted some closure for those grieving parents. Call me a sap, but I did. So, though it was a fairytale ending that would probably NEVER happen in real life, I'm glad they did it. Besides... there was a fairytalish quality to this whole ep, and I guess that's how it was meant.

If it were up to my gut feeling, I'd give it an "excellent". But 'cause of the "buts", I'm marking it down.

[Swoznick]

May I join you folks in your discussions? I have been reading your observations during past episodes, watching the show and becoming more familiar with the cast before venturing here to this forum. I find the depth in which you view and analyze to be fascinating. I'll post my comments below in faith that I may be received as my intentions extend.

First I want to say that I thought this episode was a strong one for all the members of the cast. I truly felt that all everyone was able to make significant contributions and therefore share in the wide range of emotions and energies this episode allowed. It was good teamwork.

Secondly - A mother knows.. Mel's mother would not let her go perhaps because of her intuition or was it because she did not feel a break in the "life force" that mothers feel with their children. Being a parent, I can relate to that tie/ bond between mother and child. The silver thread that ties may get longer due to distance, but it remains until death. The passion which she held onto that tie I think affected Lilly. Did Lilly wish for her own mother to be so passionate about their relationship and feel a sense of loss not having it?

I have to applaud Mel and Charise for following their hearts. Repeatedly Charise was told she was different in demeaning ways and from Terrell with tenderness. Charise acted from love, even to attempting to protect the memory of Mel during the first interrogations at the coffee shop. It was the last act of love she may have felt she could give Mel. Love like that lasts lifetimes whether one chooses to acknowlege it or compartmentalize it due to circumstances. The Stevie Wonder music fit so perfectly to the social tensions being portrayed.

I read everyone's comments about the fireflies and one thought kept coming to me that I don't think anyone mentioned. Fireflies come back every year. We don't know where they go in the fall - They are not present for a season or two while it's cold, but always return with the warmth. It is a joy to see the first ones each year, as if a promise is being kept of - here comes the warmth of summer - and like flowers in spring signal an end to winter. Was this a foreshadow of the reunion between parents and friends?

Jeffries as a mentor to Kat. I think this is a great observation especially since the previous episodes with his flashbacks as a young investigator. We've seen the back then and present development of his career. I saw his willingness to let Kat learn on her own also especially during her intense interrogation of Terrell. I've watched Kat quietly work in the background or alongside the team - but always reaching out to bring in information by forming a bond and using that to persuade the confession. She gives of herself first - and then expects a return.
I saw this repeatedly - in the stable for Rampage, the flower garden in Wars.., the expressions given to Alice in Sandhogs. Always reaching with a softer touch. When she turned the heat up on Terrell, it was sudden and unexpected from this character standpoint. Still she was working from a trust standpoint and not wanting him to fail that trust. I personally would like to find out why they use backlighting on her scenes so much. And Boxman - I'm with you - why the black leather? Is it styling of her clothes - a good all around piece that makes the wardrobe flexible or symbolic of something else.

I'll finish with that I thought Lilly was exhuberant in the ending scene where she kept her promise to Mel's father - bring my little girl home... There was a regalness in the way she opened the car door for Mel - like a chauffer delivering a very special star to a premier... The red lining to her coat - like a red carpet?

Kat's visit to Terrell and the handshake. A mutual apology, a restoration to Terrell of belief in him, could Terrell now trust the police due to a positive experience? Unexpected visit - but yet again, from Kat, an extension of herself her intregity.

Can someone help me with who the artists were in the pictures on the wall in the coffee shop? Oh yeah - coffee for cops. Not just something in their hands - but addiction to caffeine is more like it... The hours worked, caffeine keeps them going and mostly the coffee is free.. Trust me - 25 years a cops wife - it's not a job you do for the money.

A great episode for all involved - one to cheer for and good feelings abound. I was moved to tears and blown away with the raw energy of it all. Bear with me, I must state the obvious. I'm glad Tracie had a turn in the light and I think it's some of her best work I've seen to date. May I thank you for embracing her and your supporting comments in this episode?

Ok - so at this point I hope that I'm invited to return to the discussions. Thanks for reading.

Swoznick

[longislanditalian2]

At the ending, Lilly put her hands in her pocket and turned away almost if she herself couldn't see the parents hugging Melanie. Maybe it's painful to her that, she never had that kind of love and aftre being missing for 31 yrs , Melanie still has parents who really loved her. Scotty also noticed this. Maybe it's hard to see this through her own eyes , who could really blame her?

[Disasterfreak]

Swoznick: I don't think I speak only for myself when I say your inputs would be very welcome! I enjoyed reading your comments--especially because you bring an opinion we've never had--that of a parents AND a cop's wife. It's priceless. ;D

Kat isn't hard to like. She was brought into the show pretty skilfully, has distinguishing characteristics of her own that set her apart both from Rush and her predecessor "Josie chippy" Sutton, and, quite frankly, I'm glad to see her there.

[longislanditalian2]

Kat is myserious in her own way just like Lilly but maybe we'll get to know more about her character. But maybe Kat's learning from Lilly and may look up to her in someway on how to deal with suspects.

[Swoznick]

Thank you both for your comments to my post. I have been welcomed to the boards here by others as well. I am unabashedly a Tracie fan. I appreciate her dedication to her craft and her work ethic. Her talent drew me in and I connected with her at a level that I've only connected with a couple of performing artists and holds my interest to follow her career. To take the time to acclimate and learn about the series/characters prior to posting was out of respect for the membership here. You are equally as loyal fans to those you care about as I am of Tracie. With this episode, I just could not contain myself any longer. Unsure of if I would be accepted, I did'nt want to seem as if I posted only because of following Tracie and come off to everyone in the wrong way. I do admire the entire cast and the work they do. I also am impressed in the manner which you look at the episodes - not just entertainment, but to interpret the art form behind the effort. Bravo to you all.

[Swoznick]

I was just looking at the screen caps Nessa posted in the other thread. In the scene where Scotty and Lilly go to Mel in the restaraunt - Lilly and Mel were positioned in front of a mirror where the reflection is over Lilly's shoulder where Lilly is seeing Mel. Anyone have any thoughts on this image?

[The Reverend Bizarre]

>>>Reverend Bizarre, you didn't read many fairy tales?

Actually I still do.

[riche]

This episode was good but the story didn't really grab me. The 'good' ending was a nice change, though as others have said the scene in the diner was a little odd. It must be difficult to get all that in in such a short time but it didn't ring true.

On the plus side it wasn't one of the usual 'spurned lover' stories.

[myril]

swoznick said:

I read everyone's comments about the fireflies and one thought kept coming to me that I don't think anyone mentioned. Fireflies come back every year. We don't know where they go in the fall - They are not present for a season or two while it's cold, but always return with the warmth. It is a joy to see the first ones each year, as if a promise is being kept of - here comes the warmth of summer - and like flowers in spring signal an end to winter. Was this a foreshadow of the reunion between parents and friends?

Swoznick

Yeah, so true, fireflies keep coming back, a joy to welcome them, signaling the end of winter. Maybe that's why unconsciously I had an early hunch, that Melanie might be alive (but wondered how that should work). Or maybe, that was because there was something "fairy talish" about this ep from the start, the fireflies, and how Melanie, the 2 girls saw them, the style of the flashbacks.

The girls were like fireflies themselves, great that they had that halo in one scene. Fireflies in the sense of good faeries showing us a way to a better world. They were able to see beyond the obvious - see fireflies as faeries or as well see beyond color and prejudice.

And swoznik, you're welcomed to join discussion, Disasterfreak sure didn't speak just for herself.

xuchilbara said:

>>>Reverend Bizarre, you didn't read many fairy tales?

Actually I still do.

good!

[longislanditalian2]

A quick question that I was pondering: Did anyone give Lilly problems since she was friends with Lindsey? I know this must have been in the 80's but still , any thoughts on this??

[eurache]

RE-AIRING NOVEMBER 11, 2007 ON TNT AT 8PM EST

[krystalnjoeysmom]

I saw it on TNT on the 11th. It was a really good episode. I was so happy when it ended up that she was alive

[eurache]

TNT REPEAT - 7/30/08 - 11PM ET

[lillyrush1977]

Excellent Episode! One where the victim is alive in the end! The only problem with it and I don't know if you would call it a problem is that I pretty much had the "doer" figured out half way through, but in the end it didn't really matter much. It was well told and had me from the beginning!

[eduardodelroice]

Apr 29, 2009 8:40:28 GMT -5 lillyrush1977 said:

Excellent Episode! One where the victim is alive in the end! The only problem with it and I don't know if you would call it a problem is that I pretty much had the "doer" figured out half way through, but in the end it didn't really matter much. It was well told and had me from the beginning!

Yes, I voted for excellent! The victim was alive!

[stillmanfan]

This episode was great and I really like Tracie as she is really coming on her own. I loved it when she told Terrell that she defended him in front of her boss and Vera telling Mr. Wilson to get out or I'll drop kick you.

Liked John's interrogation and Kat's as well and glad Melanie was alive but I got one question... Since I've been using Google maps for my Stillman gets nabbed story, why not just leave her in Lancaster since that is like an hour and a half away from Philly?

I just did a directions search for Clouster, W Va and Philly and that is like 5 hours away.

I would think Mr. Wilson's father would have wondered where his son was even if he didn't give a care.