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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 16:18:10 GMT -5
This one got a Good from me When I saw the opening I told myself "I am gonna like this one more than my all time fav" but no, I liked it but it could have been better for 2 details: *Again the best friend killed the victim? (We saw that on the premier) *Again another heat of the moment? Oh No! Apart from that great episode *Wonderful ending montage!("Disarm" wonderful song) *Bugdet cuts... Realistic! *It'll be cool to know what happened with Scotty's mother *Lilly and the cell phone  |
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Post by tommyk on Oct 5, 2009 17:04:00 GMT -5
I thought it was another "miss," and I find the season off to a very discouraging start. Even in seasons where I've disliked the premiere (season 3, season 6), the second episode has come through. Not here. Where is the fun and imagination and wit that Johnson and Plageman brought to the show last year? I found the case lacking in interest, the direction lacking in variety. And then, as eduardo notes, the final blow, literally: another heat-of-the-moment best-friend killing? I feel like Johnson and Plagemen are focusing all their energies on the subplots this season, and forgetting that the cold cases are the thrust of the series. I don't know how these last two cases got green-lighted; they felt half-baked, and half-hearted. I see fresh blood on the writing/producing team, and I hope their upcoming efforts result in some fresher episodes.
Coincidentally, I was watching "Daniela" yesterday afternoon -- another "John/Jane Doe" case. Now THAT was the COLD CASE I fell in love with: the twists and turns of the story-telling, the imaginative way the flashbacks were handled, the varied interrogations, the break-your-heart ending. COLD CASE is down signficantly in the ratings this year, and, to my mind, episodes like these last two aren't going to get a "buzz" going again.
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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 17:08:44 GMT -5
I thought it was another "miss," and I find the season off to a very discouraging start. Even in seasons where I've disliked the premiere (season 3, season 6), the second episode has come through. Not here. Where is the fun and imagination and wit that Johnson and Plageman brought to the show last year? I found the case lacking in interest, the direction lacking in variety. And then, as eduardo notes, the final blow, literally: another heat-of-the-moment best-friend killing? I feel like Johnson and Plagemen are focusing all their energies on the subplots this season, and forgetting that the cold cases are the thrust of the series. I don't know how these last two cases got green-lighted; they felt half-baked, and half-hearted. I see fresh blood on the writing/producing team, and I hope their upcoming efforts result in some fresher episodes. Coincidentally, I was watching "Daniela" yesterday afternoon -- another "John/Jane Doe" case. Now THAT was the COLD CASE I fell in love with: the twists and turns of the story-telling, the imaginative way the flashbacks were handled, the varied interrogations, the break-your-heart ending. COLD CASE is down signficantly in the ratings this year, and, to my mind, episodes like these last two aren't going to get a "buzz" going again. Well... This is the last season so they don't have to worry about ratings to get the show picked up and also the schedule does not help: Sundays 10 p.m. Another thing I forgot to mention. I TRULY hate these new writers. The stupid idea of the Lilly's dream in the season finale (yes, I hated it) and why the detectives are not seeing the victims? I hate that. I miss when detectives were the ones who watched the victim |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 5, 2009 17:25:31 GMT -5
[ Well... This is the last season so they don't have to worry about ratings to get the show picked up and also the schedule does not help: Sundays 10 p.m. Um. there's nothing that's been officially said that it's the last season. We don't know if it is or not. |
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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 17:52:34 GMT -5
I still think the show is doing OK. Almost all shows fall in the latter seasons but in this case I wonder why writers don't want detectives to see the victims. In this case it was ok his brother saw him skating... That was truly emotional but these new writers sometimes make mistakes that big ...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 5, 2009 17:54:12 GMT -5
II wonder why writers don't want detectives to see the victims. Keep in mind this is just the second episodes, there's more to come. Lilly did see the victim at the end, along with the brother. |
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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 17:57:44 GMT -5
II wonder why writers don't want detectives to see the victims. Keep in mind this is just the second episodes, there's more to come. Lilly did see the victim at the end, along with the brother. The last season the victim was seen by detectives just twice. In this case I have rewatched the scene several times and No, Lilly does not see Nash but however, that last scene was very emotional. |
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Post by pavlovsdog on Oct 5, 2009 18:08:47 GMT -5
I liked a lot about this episode, the skateboarding theme was original, characters were believable and there was some great casting between the 95 and 09 versions of all characters.
The ending bugged me though, as many have said, another heat of the moment best friend killing. But it wasn't even clear what motivated it? Frustration because he couldn't do the trick or was he just high and flipped out?
A bit of a lame conclusion to quite a decent case.
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Post by Electrophile on Oct 5, 2009 18:46:37 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is just the second episodes, there's more to come. Lilly did see the victim at the end, along with the brother. The last season the victim was seen by detectives just twice. In this case I have rewatched the scene several times and No, Lilly does not see Nash but however, that last scene was very emotional. Yes she does. She's with Mick at the skate park when they see Nash skating around and doing some tricks. |
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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 19:45:39 GMT -5
The last season the victim was seen by detectives just twice. In this case I have rewatched the scene several times and No, Lilly does not see Nash but however, that last scene was very emotional. Yes she does. She's with Mick at the skate park when they see Nash skating around and doing some tricks. I rewatched the scene again. She goes, gives him the thing and Mick sees his brother... then she goes away and then Mick sees his brother doing the tricks When Lilly is with someone and sees the victim, she acknowledges it. Example: Andy in C Minor In "Jackals" Lilly is with the father but she doesn't see the victim. The same happened in this episode. I tried to get the Youtube Clip but it wasn't available. If you can rewatch carefully the scene and you'll see that she does not see Nash. Well... As I said previously... Great ending song |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 5, 2009 19:52:51 GMT -5
I'm not arguing or anything but Lilly does turn and see's Nash, but yet this is from my perspective; I'm not putting anyone else's opinion on this out. Anyhow I sitll gave it a good, not the best but alright.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Oct 5, 2009 20:02:13 GMT -5
This has not been confirmed; nor has it been confirmed that the 10 p.m. time slot is "not helping this show"
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Post by eduardo on Oct 5, 2009 20:46:08 GMT -5
This has not been confirmed; nor has it been confirmed that the 10 p.m. time slot is "not helping this show" Have you checked the ratings... This season is 9.68 million while the lowest last season was 10 million |
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Post by boxman on Oct 5, 2009 20:50:00 GMT -5
Aah, you mean something akin to a huge proverbial middle finger? LOL... You said it, not me!   I will say in WB's defense, the alternative to show budget cuts was to cancel the show. As much as we gripe about Philly locations no longer being shot and some actors getting reduced screentime in some of the episodes,I'd rather take that... then no Cold Case at all. And you know that these were the only two alternatives from...?? |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Oct 5, 2009 21:56:44 GMT -5
This has not been confirmed; nor has it been confirmed that the 10 p.m. time slot is "not helping this show" Have you checked the ratings... This season is 9.68 million while the lowest last season was 10 million This season is only 2 episodes in; you can't make a sound judgment based off of 2 episodes. |
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Post by Trublu on Oct 5, 2009 22:29:26 GMT -5
This has not been confirmed; nor has it been confirmed that the 10 p.m. time slot is "not helping this show" Have you checked the ratings... This season is 9.68 million while the lowest last season was 10 million This still doesn't mean that this is the last season. Please don't spread unsubstantiated rumors. Not to mention that your statistics put the first two shows of the season only .32 off last season. The season is still young, and I would consider the second episode to be much better than the season premier, meaning that there is definitely room for improvement. Re: her seeing Nash; I would argue that she does. I don't think the clip from Andy that you showed shows Lilly "acknowledging" any more than she normally does. I think it's accepted by most fans that if Lilly is present when the victim appears, that she sees him or her. They both appeared to be watching Nash perform his tricks at the end of this episode. I don't think there is a reason that they both shouldn't have seen him. I will say in WB's defense, the alternative to show budget cuts was to cancel the show. As much as we gripe about Philly locations no longer being shot and some actors getting reduced screentime in some of the episodes,I'd rather take that... then no Cold Case at all. And you know that these were the only two alternatives from...?? Those are the two things with the biggest budgets on any production, so those are the two things that will be most heavily impacted by budget cuts, and will be most noticed. They probably also cut from other departments, but those two would have been the crucial pieces. |
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Post by ninja1088 on Oct 6, 2009 0:24:33 GMT -5
The killing was motivated by jealously, jealously that had slowly been building up throughout the episode as drugs overtook Cal's life and took his talent with it while Nash was going to be a star. Also, a lot of murders are done in heat of the moment,but there is usual underlying tension so it isn't completly out of the blue. As for the detectives not seeing the ghosts as much, I liked in some cases but a lot of them I thought it was absurb Lily was seeing them over the victim's loved ones or those closest to them. Until the CC squad came along, they were the ones living with the loss. The fact they see the ghosts makes much more sense to me. I will say in WB's defense, the alternative to show budget cuts was to cancel the show. As much as we gripe about Philly locations no longer being shot and some actors getting reduced screentime in some of the episodes,I'd rather take that... then no Cold Case at all. And you know that these were the only two alternatives from...??[/quote] Articles from pretty much every tv site that this site provides links to as well as Tracie Thoms blog. Cold Case was on the chopping block last season. The high cost of producing the show and the fact it didn't have as high ratings as some of the CBS crime shows (csi) had it as one of the shows that could possibly be canceled. As for them moving it to 10 p.m., it's a trick many networks do when they want to use the ratings aren't high enough excuse. If it was on earlier it would have much better ratings. |
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Post by toddsmitts on Oct 6, 2009 15:21:11 GMT -5
Sorry about my late response but the audio on my CBS affiliate was screwy so I turned it off and got the episode later, but not till Monday morning, and then I was super busy yesterday. Here's my thoughts:
As with the premiere, I was underwhelmed with how the case turned out. Nothing gives away the doer's identity like showing what close buddies they and the victim were ("Stand Up and Holler", "Andy in C Minor").
Aside from being pushed from a high place, the "best friend doer" is one of the show's biggest cliches, and now we've had two in a row. The doer being a drug addict is a big one too. I'd much rather the doer had been Hess (the store owner) or Grady (the pro skater). Heck even Vonda would be more interesting (if not plausible), or how about Nash's mom in a drunken rage (or maybe her loser boyfriend did it and she helped cover it up, making her an accessory). Hmmm?
As with the last episode, it was the non-case stuff that proved the most compelling. No mention of Moe this week, but the budget stuff looking interesting. And since Doherty's surprise return in "Officer Down" last spring, I've been looking forward to seeing him be a regular thorn in Stillman's side (I'm still holding out hope for his boss, Councilman Boone to return and ultimately get what's coming to him as well). Keith Szarabajka is a great actor (check him out as the ruthless vampire hunter Holtz in season three of "Angel" or as one of the few honest cops in Gordon's task force in "The Dark Knight"). I look forward to hearing his hissing voice on the show more in the future.
After so much on Lilly's family, it's nice to explore Scotty's some more. After six years, we finally meet his parents! ;D So is Mrs. Valens stepping out on Scotty's dad, or is this something else? I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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Post by irishgirl101 on Oct 6, 2009 15:57:37 GMT -5
As with the last episode, it was the non-case stuff that proved the most compelling. No mention of Moe this week, but the budget stuff looking interesting. I agree. This episode was much better than last weeks but still not one of their best. Theres definatly room for improvement. The story didnt really catch me at all, i was more interested in the main characters storylines. Seeing scottys parents was cool and i can only guess we'll be seeing them again by the sounds of things. |
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Post by ninja1088 on Oct 6, 2009 16:56:49 GMT -5
After a while, on any crime show, it's hard to avoid cliches. Even on the Csi shows and Law & Order, I am rarely shocked by who the doer is anymore. My biggest cliche gripe is one that has for the most part Cold Case has avoided. Anytime a close friend/mentor of one of the characters shows up, he/she will either be murdered or is a big time bad guy who knows their friend's weaknesses. That one is REALLY old
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