Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #15 on Nov 3, 2009, 7:20am »
In real life, the Wasps were shut down in December of 1944. Iris killed Vivian to protect a program that sadly didn't have much time left anyway. As for the age of the actors, yes it irks me sometimes but in the same breath, not everyone in their 70's or 80's is wrinkle central and needs a cane to walk either. Still not as bad as World's End.
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Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #16 on Nov 3, 2009, 8:28am »
I had low expectations for that one and ended up pleasantly surprised. The premise of the girl in the air fighting its way in a man's world with a WWII history lesson sounded a bit boring and deja vu (Wings, The Long Blue Line, among others) but the case turned out OK, mainly because of the resolution. 2 cases solved in one, with 2 very different doers (one sympathetic and one antipathic). Original motives, doers, way to kill and a premeditated murder (very welcome after the long series of "heat of the moment" killings)/manslaughter for Edna.
The doer's revelation was a big surprise (mainly because I thought that statistically wise it wasn't CC like to have yet another female doer!) but upon a 2nd viewing, it was more obvious: - she was the first interviewee and never came back until the very end - she was the only one to depict the victim in a negative way (coherent with the fact that she strongly believes her murder was justified) - she set the false lead to the mysterious boyfriend in Manhattan - she conducted the research of the plane and of course made sure they weren't looking in the right places
I agree with Naj, I like the side stories we're having every episodes so far. As long as it does not take too much screen time, of course. Scotty and his mom are really cute together and I'm really interested in knowing what's happening. Concerning the Lilly/Moe story: since we learnt that he didn't send the pictures on Lilly's cell phone, Moe didn't do anything to Lilly since he has been freed. I kind of like that Moe's first agressive move was caused by Lilly's harassing (loved his comment on her car being dried up or changed!) because it makes both characters "grayer". Lilly had some unexplained border line behavior before (at least for me) like for example when she stalked her father last year and stole his mail, or disobeyed Stillman's orders and went AWOL in Joseph. What puzzles me is the team not picking this and I would expect Scotty or Stillman to have a real talk with her. Maybe because of the pressure Stillman has been under, Kat's departure (still no mention of her ) and Scotty familial concerns. I have the feeling the team is not as close as before.
I also liked the parallels between the victim and Lilly. Vivian's storyline of pursuing the truth brings up the point that Lilly was always motivated to solve cold cases because she felt no victim should ever be forgotten. That was Lilly's passion in being a 'murder cop'. So that brings up an interesting question to the side-story: Why is she so passionate about pursuing Moe? This is *not* the standard "Lilly M.O.", so to speak. Is there something to Moe's case we're not aware of.... yet?? What also makes the parallel peculiar is how Vivian died after having fallen in a vehicle, trapped underwater--not too much unlike Lilly in last season's finale double-episode.
I had a mental image of underwater Lilly as well! When Lilly said "I speak for Vivian", I was thinking that Lilly must be feeling like a victim and since no one speaks for her, she has to speak for herself.
Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #17 on Nov 3, 2009, 10:41am »
Zoe, in complete agree with you about the fact the team isn't as close because of the other problems they are facing. If nothing else, Lily reallys needs to get some sense talked into her. She thinks justice is being denied now, her actions will REALLY make sure it will be by getting the case tossed. Also for the doers, as much as a jerk as Wolf was, he wasn't going to let his brother take the blame for something he did, showed remorse (albeit almost seven decades later) and refused to drag anyone else with him. It's also clear he never meant to kill Edna, just drive her and the rest of the WASPS out. Contrast him with Iris, who sixty-five years later still saw nothing wrong with what she did to Vivian. IMO, her comment about how she speaks for Vivian wasn't because she feels like a victim, but in response to Iris's speech. Iris's speech talked about how far women come become of the WASPS in avaition and how little girls look up to her. All this in an attempt to justify what she did. Iris may speak for the WASPS but Lily spoke for another brave women who helped future generations and died trying to get justice for her friend.
Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #18 on Nov 3, 2009, 11:42am »
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So that brings up an interesting question to the side-story: Why is she so passionate about pursuing Moe? This is *not* the standard "Lilly M.O.", so to speak. Is there something to Moe's case we're not aware of.... yet?? What also makes the parallel peculiar is how Vivian died after having fallen in a vehicle, trapped underwater--not too much unlike Lilly in last season's finale double-episode
I've had a theory for a while that Lilly's story on the show parallels the story of the Tarot. As of right now she's in the "The Devil" arcana. I won't go too indepth, but...
Episode 6x23 "Into the Blue" - Lilly was in the 'Hanged (wo)Man' arcana. This is the arcana where the character is hung between the world of the living, and another world, and where they gain divine knowledge. This is what happened to Lilly.
Episode 7x01 - Lilly enters the 'Death' arcana (I Die) this arcana is marked by the old self dying, and a new self emerging. A good part of Lilly died when they let Moe out on bail.
Now - Lilly is in the 'Devil' arcana (I Blind). This arcana is marked solely by temptation and pleasure. Right now, Lilly may feel trapped and that she has to go after Moe, BUT, the chains are loose (metaphorically) and Lilly could take them off.
The next arcana she could enter would be The Tower (I Destroy). Considered by many to be the absolute worst card of the arcana.
The higher-ups didn't know what exactly the wasp were doing? and If they discover this the program would have been shut down?
I rewatched the scene when Edna dies and they sing the Air Force song... Speechless... My favorite this season
Unfortunately, that's the way women were regarded in 1944. Someone was sabotaging them, even in the military, it was essentially their fault for existing. The program was essentially a low cost way to get jobs done so that other "more important" jobs could be filled by men.
Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #21 on Nov 4, 2009, 5:28am »
Hi boys and girls!
Hello! It's the Byrdman coming at you on this early Wednesday morning. I hope that you all are well and that your midweeks are progressing smoothly.
Well, I finally got to watch this episode last night, and it was wonderful! Granted, it was not cool what happened to Edna and Vivian at all, but their killers were caught, and that was good. But the story of the WASPs is a great one, and one that needs to be retold over and over.
Those girls were tough, but sensitive as well. The great dynamic of the fair gender - as you girls always seem to, you rose to the occasion on this and so many other fronts. I was so glad to see that President Obama and Congress gave the girls in the WASPs medals and recognition. I'm always glad to see girls given their due praise, that is for sure! Girls rock!
I loved watching Lilly's interrogation at the end with the lady who covered up the report of Vivan's. She said to Lilly "I speak for the WASPs, I speak for you!" And Lilly unflinchingly looks back at her and says: "I speak for Vivian." The girl has heart!
Moe is a chump. I have to admit I am a bit uneasy on how this story is going to pan out. With the fact that Stillman is already on her, Scotty knows about it, and the fact that Lilly had her gun at the ready - these are not good signs. I hope that Lilly can hang in there until Moe gets his day in court.
Ugh! The ratings took a hit as well. I'm not sure if anyone saw my update to the weekly ratings from tvbythenumbers.com, but here is a link (you will need to scroll down to see the Episode 5 link):
Re: 7.05 WASP « Reply #24 on Nov 5, 2009, 12:57pm »
The takedowns were different in that at least Wolf was remorseful and refused to let his brother or anyone else take the rap for his crimes. Iris on the other hand still believed that her cold blooded murder of Vivian was justified for the greater good.
The takedowns were different in that at least Wolf was remorseful and refused to let his brother or anyone else take the rap for his crimes. Iris on the other hand still believed that her cold blooded murder of Vivian was justified for the greater good.
I liked how Wolf thought Edna would "hit the silks" but something went wrong. It makes sense in it's own twisted way. And with a lot of elements influencing the killer's actions. Multiple motives, done seemlessly.
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